You and Tony were of course part of the Terror Squad, which was a pretty thorough crew back in its prime…
I definitely agree with that. That was definitely built off of blood, sweat and tears, that movement. But you already know, just like any other empire, you got the Julius Caesars of the world and they end up ruining the empire. At the end of the day, that wasn’t built off of one man’s sweat. At the end of the day, it was Pun all day.
We now know you’ve patched things up with Tony. What’s your relationship like with Remy, if any?
Oh Remy…Remy came from through a different cloth. She came through the Pun pipeline. When me and Remy met, it was just that love, no fakeness. We would spend the night in Pun’s house together, chill and talk about hip-hop. When my split from the Terror Squad came, she still kept in contact with me and made sure I was good. Actually, she was the one who drove me to the hospital the day I got the scars on my face.
Yeah. That’s the truth. She was parked in her car outside of Jimmy’s [Bronx Café] and I was already [cut] open. I was already bleeding. I didn’t know. Niggas had to tell me I was bleeding. So, then I took a little knee and said a prayer because when I seen that I went into religious mode like, Pardon me father for what I’m about to do. She saw me there kneeling for about 30 seconds and when I got back up, I saw Remy in the red cherry Mercedes she had. She came up to me and said, What the fuck! I said, Nah, I’m good. I took my shirt off and covered my face. She said, Come on, I’m going to take you to the hospital. That’s what happened, man. I was going to her trials and when she got convicted of it, we talked. That’s my sister. It’s a bad situation where she got a lot of years. There’s not one day when I don’t think about her.
You took issue to the whole Joell Ortiz, “Big Pun Back” joint. Did you ever speak to Joell or is that something you even want to do?
Not really, not really. It is what it is and it is what it was. The media made it out to be hate, but it’s not about that. Niggas got to understand that when it comes to Pun, that was a very personal relationship. That wasn’t the music. That was me and my brother struggling up from ground zero all the way to where he took it, the top of the world. Then I also seen the business side, where niggas used Pun’s name. So, just to take it back to Joell, I was a fan of his before he even got on. I was encouraging my label that I was on to give him a deal, but then he signed to Aftermath. I met him twice. Next thing I see and hear is him with “Big Pun’s Back” over that “Tupac’s Back.” I’m like, Damn, if I’m Tupac’s family, I’m kind of offended. I wouldn’t do “Big Pun’s Back” because I’m too close to the family. Whoever got to do that got to be a blood relative. I wasn’t even going to try to do that. Then I heard Joell do that. As an artist, he’s cool, he’s dope to me, but this is personal. The problem with it isn’t that he’s not showing love, but did you go through the proper avenues? Did you go through his wife at least and asked her? She hit me up and said, Did you hear this nigga on the radio? He didn’t come to me. He said he asked permission from [Fat] Joe and it’s like, Dog, it’s been 11 years already and you live in New York. You have to know that [Pun’s wife] Liza Rios has problems with Joe. Then there was his line, “Please don’t be like this other dude that was thinkin’ dumb/he tried to snuff Joe, so the Puerto Rican rum.” That wasn’t 100% directed at me, but if I see you, I’m going to have to ask you, Yo, dog, what you meant by that? Then he said he’s the new Christopher Rios of rap, so is this a tribute or are you using my man to get your talents shown? I’m sure he thought it was great, but I don’t agree with it. But we not going to take it there. At the end of the day, God bless him. I heard he’s doing his thing with the Slaughterhouse camp, so ok, but it was holy grounds that he touched, so I had to say something.