Can Rick Ross Stand on his Own Two? [Aim & Fire]

On Tuesday, July 20, Rick Ross will release his fourth studio album, Teflon Don, and everybody’s talking. It seems like he’s everywhere these days: the TV, the radio, the blogs… The Boss’s bearded grill is inescapable, but will this be the album that will finally earn Ross a place among rap’s elite? A few members of the XXL staff and some of our awesome interns (what up Manny and Calvin) brought the issue to the virtual roundtable yesterday afternoon to discuss for our new column, Aim & Fire, where we chop it up on the latest trending topics in hip-hop.  Here’s what we had to say.

Jesse Gissen: OK, so the topic this week is Ricky Ross and the question is: Can Ross stand on his own two? In other words, the man is known for having a lot of big name guest appearances and larger than life beats — but can he hold his own?

Emmanuel “Manny” Maduakolam: Nope..right now..pure swag rapper..lyrics are mediocre at best.

Rob Markman: Teflon Don does have a TON of guests, but Ross has proven himself as a strong MC.

Adam Fleischer: He holds his own on those records often times, but I don’t think he’d be where he is without the features

Matt Barone: Rapper, or MC?

Rob: MC

Matt: Yikes

Rob: Ross is an MC.

Laurence Bass: I think his beat selection will keep the people listening. Rhymes, not so much.

Rob: Listen to the third verse on “I’m Not A Star” he killed that verse.

Calvin Stovall: He can stand on his own, but he knows that everyone would rather hear him with Jay and Kanye… who wouldn’t?

Rob: Take “Free Mason” for example. That was an incredible Jay verse. Ross held his own? He didn’t best Jay, but he held his fuckin’ own.

Matt: But is it okay to just “hold your own”?

Jesse: Good question Matt.

Adam: I think cause of his flow, he’ll always somewhat hold his own.

Rob: Nah go back to “Free Mason.” Ross spits: “Big contracts, big contractors/Built pyramids, period, we masters/No Caterpillars, it was just a lot of niggas/A lot of great thinkers and a lot of great inventors

Rob: That’s lyricism. That’s some MC shit.

Calvin: He doesn’t spit wack verses… but he doesn’t spit anything that blows your mind.

Matt: He shows signs of MCing, yeah, but one or two impressive verses doesn’t make a true MC, to me at least.

Calvin: He’s solid, there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m not skipping his verses to get to Jay’s or Kanye’s or Drake’s.

Adam: Rob, do you think you’d have any less love for the CD if it were feature-less? Same songs, but only Ross?

Turn to the next page to continue reading the conversation.

  • Master CHeef

    something tells me that RWord liked the album.
    can’d deny the main point of this, Rawse picks phenomenal beats, but he doesn’t wreck them.

  • Angryman

    Ross could rap alot better but non of his core audience wants to hear that Talib Kweli $#!t!

  • http://theorganizegrind.com musicconnoisseur

    Lyrically Ross is right up there with the best in the game… Most ppl cant get past the CO past – but if you grade him album for for album he’s gotten better each time out. Lyrically, musically, and flow pattern wise. Any person unbiasedly listening to his music can see (better yet HEAR) that.

    • gaddic

      @musicconnoisuer

      U R a Fucking IDIOT!!!

      “lyrically rick ross is up there with the best in the game”

      Are you retarded?
      ROss only has great beats he has no skill with wordplay or skillful metaphors

      example:
      Replace Rick ross’s vocals with Pharoahe Monch’s “Desire” album’s beats and tell me if that wouldn’t have been the worst album in the last few years!!!

      Lil wayne and Ti are way better lyrically than Ross
      And the fucked up thing is they both suck to me
      They both could get murked by any talented underground rapper
      Elzhi’s “Motown 25″ is better lyrically than Ross’ entire discography of mediocre albums

      • http://theorganizegrind.com musicconnoisseur

        So which part of “right of there with the best” don’t you seem to understand… Because I don’t recall saying he was better than TI or Wayne.

        And all this replace this with that and add this to that is for the birds. Rick Ross makes great music period.

      • http://theorganizegrind.com musicconnoisseur

        So which part of “right UP there with the best” don’t you seem to understand…? Because I don’t recall saying he was better than TI or Wayne.

        And all this replace this with that and add this to that is for the birds. Rick Ross makes great music period.

      • Jones

        Rite now Ross is lyrically better than T.I.and Wayne. I havent heard anything hot from T.I. since he’s been out of jail. Wayne has been puttin out a lot of garbage for a while now but everyone eats it up becuz its Wayne. When its all said and done he makes great music that you dont mind spendin ya money on.

  • funkadelikk

    Sure he raps over ILL beats but he doesnt slaughter them.Only because HIP HOP in the mainstream is so waterd down that he’s even considred great,relys too much on guest features every joint on got sum one on it(seems like every1 is doingit from bp3 to the new big boi).If he’s as great as u say he’s i dare him to feauture sum underground rappers and lets really see if he can hang,like instead of jay on freemason even though u may speculate hes part illumanati feauture someone like Immortal Technique or ILL Bill who actauuly rap bout those thangs or do a track wit Brother Ali who Rakim said was the “TRUTH” guarntee B.A will outshine him…peace

  • Getbizzy

    “My first album had no famous guest appearances
    the outcome, I’m was crowned the BEST LYRICIST” -Got Urself A Gun – Nas

    NUFF SAID!!!

  • Angryman

    Ross gets mad respect for me the music jams. All the other things ppl are throwing in the argument are girlish. If i dont like it i dont acknowledge it BOTTOM LINE!

  • Angryman

    but those previous comments wont count cause i tried to be a C.O. and nobody knows who i am. my bad

  • General

    Ross seems to be one of the most polarizing figures in rap right now, no doubt. Part of it is that there are way too many fans that of hip hop that are in some fantasy world where they don’t understand that music is entertainment. All rappers are artists and entertainers. I think the arguments over Ross have become the most ridiculous tiring spectacle over the last 2 years. Bottom line, Ross makes hot music. Its not legendary or greatest of all time stature, but he has consistently made hot music.

    I think that is the one thing that I respect about Ross, is his consistency in the music. Its funny that 50 used to say “I’ll break your neck with my consistency,” which of course musically proved to be the false, but instead its Ross that has delivered consistently

    • T

      Hes not consistent & he dnt make hot music & 50 was more consistent than this talentless wack, liar wannabe rapper

  • MR. UNDI$PUTED THE MOGUL

    IT’S TIME TO JUST KEEP IT AS REAL & TRILL AS POSSIBLE. THE REALITY IS SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HATE ON RICK RO$$ JUST BECAUSE OF EITHER HIS SO CALLED BEEF WITH 50 CENT OR HIS JOB AS A CO. THE ARGUMENT ABOUT HIM BEING FAKE IS SO LAME & RIDICULOUS ALMOST EVERY MC IN HISTORY HAS LIED OR EMBELLISHED SOMETHING. NAS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MC’S OF ALL TIME & AT ONE TIME HE WAS CALLING HIMSELF NAS ESCOBAR. THE REAL ESCOBAR ACTUALLY HELPED SUPPLY THE “REAL” RICK ROSS & YOU DON’T EVEN HEAR ANYMORE OR EVEN MUCH THEN ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A FAKE HE WAS. THE ARGUMENT ABOUT ALL HE RAPS ABOUT IS LAME AS WELL. LISTEN TO ANY MC WHOSE HAD AT LEAST 2 – 3 CD’S RELEASED & SHOW ME THOSE CD’S WITH ALL COMPLETE BRAND NEW TOPIC’S. HOW MANY SONG’S HAS 50 CENT MADE WHERE AT LEAST 1 LYRIC OR LINE IS ABOUT SHOOTING/POPPING SOMEONE. YEARS AGO ON THE NEXT FRIDAY SOUNDTRACK, THE BIG TYMERS HAD A SONG FEATURING LIL WAYNE WHO SPIT A LINE THAT WENT “WEEZY WE MOVING 20 KI’S A WEEK & EVERY FRIDAY IS LIKE EASY STREET.” DOES ANYBODY WITH COMMON SENSE ACTUALLY BELIEVE LIL WAYNE BACK IN 2000 WAS SELLING OR MOVING 2 KILO’S A WEEK LET ALONE 20? I WISH PEOPLE WHO JUST DON’T LIKE AN MC FOR WHATEVER REASON WOULD JUST SAY “I DONT LIKE HIM” & KEEP IT MOVING. THESE EXCUSES THEY USE TO HATE ON RICK RO$$ ARE JUST DUMB AS HELL. WHEN I LISTEN TO MY MUSIC I WANT TO HEAR BOMB ASS BEAT’S & DOPE LYRICS, WHERE THE GUY CAME FROM, HIS PRIOR JOB EMPLOYMENT ETC. MEANS NOTHING TO ME. ALL THAT MATTERS IS IF THE MUSIC IS HOT PERIOD!!!!!!!

    PEACE & GET MONEY!!!
    MOGUL $$$ GAME ’10!!

    • Anonymous

      Couldn’t have said it any better! It’s all just entertainment at the end of the day.

    • T

      Well, thats the problem……………BOTTOM LINE HIS MUSIC ISNT HOT & HE DNT HAV DOPE LYRICS!!!! pLUS THAT COMPARISON U MADE TO nAS NICKNAME WAS PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO GAIN rOSS’ CRED BACK, ITS APPLE TO ORANGES, ROSS LIED STRAIGHT UP BOUT WHAT HE DID CUZ HE KNEW IT WUD AFFECT HIS RAP CAREER CUZ HE IS OBV A FAKE DRUG DEALER……………NAS NEVER SAID HE WAS ESCOBAR HE USED THAT AS A NICKNAME, AN ALIAS 2 RAP AS LYK EM DOES WITH SLIM SHADY U MORON, HE WASNT SAYING HE IS THE REAL ESCOBAR LOL SMH

  • LCL

    Like this Aim and Fire, but too many fugging pages. I stopped 3 pages in.

  • Anonymous

    I just want him to be original, come up with a name no one has (teflon don is NOT your name) come up wit some sh*t that reflects the “real” rick ross, (whoever that may be), this guy is not original, is not about the C.O. thing it’s about him rapping about something he can’t even relate to, great MC’s are original. Today it seems like it’s cool to bite off other peoples lyfe style as long as you have “swagg” when you do it, i.e. rick ross, nikki minaj, lady gaga, drake, and the list goes on

    • Gotta Wonder

      Hmmmm….why don’t you come up with a name, nobody knows who you are asshole? How do you know his life? Did you grow up with him? Have you lived with him? Are you related to him? I guess Hmmmm….I’m guessing no, you might as well relate that to majority of these rappers right now Idiot, none of them are original, Even the pioneers bit from Old School heads like James Brown, Earth Wind & fire, Issac Hayes etc. How the hell you think Hip-Hop Started?

      • RDS

        Not to be disrespectful, but your reply to dude was a bit immature. I get what YOU’RE saying, but I get what HE’S saying as well. And I concur with him; I’d really like Ross to be more original. Don’t care about his name, but his music is so one-track-minded, I find it hard to listen to more than snippets of the song. I can’t listen to his whole album front to back in one sitting. It gets old two songs in because he’s so predictable.

        Respect the perspective.

        -R

        • Gotta Wonder

          That’s why they call it comments you jerk, It’s my own perspective, my own opinion. So go jerk off ass wipe. Like I said if you don’t like what he’s saying , then you shouldn’t like what every other rapper is saying. You should be listening to M.C.’s, not phoney ass Rapper’s who are in it for the gimmick and, mimick and make a quick cent. Of course he’s One track minded, he’s a fucking entertainer, may I add a pretty damn good one, he changes only with the trends. Not with your Perspective or your Opinion. Immature, I need not say, More like Outspoken.

      • T

        Calm down Ross stan, we know enough! He was a C.O. not drug dealer, & when pics came out of him as that C.O. he lied & said it wasnt him, WHY?????????? Ill tell u why, cuz he FAKE & a LIAR!

  • http://HipHopSymposium.blogspot.com Rufus Smith

    I was not a Rozay fan until I stated listening to leaks off Teflon Don, which made me go back and listen to his other work. Ross can spit. He’s not in the conversation for “Top 5 dead or Alive” but at least he is in the conversation for “Album of the year” especially with all the features. Granted, his raps are a bit cliche though. Still, it’s good music. His beats are crazy!

    **About the C.O. thing, it doesn’t bother me that much but I do think it matters. Hip Hop is more than a genre it’s a culture. Not to say that C.O.’s cannot be apart of the culture but…yea, actually that is what I’m saying. Lol. But seriously I think fabrication is excepted to enhance rhymes, but complete lies are frowned upon. And it appears that Ross is lying about his past drug history but who knows… Check out my blog HipHopSymposium.blogspot.com

  • Justin

    Sure, Once He Drops The Repetitive Subject Matter About Cocaine, Cars, Girls, Money etc. And Grows Lyrically. The Beats Are Always Gonna Be In His Arsenal, Limit The Guest Appearances Especially If Your Going To Get Outshined.

  • CORLEON

    RICK ROSS FLOW IS SICC VARIOUS FREESTYLES HE KILLED HE TAKES BIG NAMES ON FEATURES AND GO JARD AGAINST THEM BUT I UNDERSTAND EVERY1 VIEWS ABOUT IS HE UP THERE WITH THE GREATS BIG JAY NAS PAC L.L. IDK I ASK MYSELF EVERYDAY MAYB ILL FIGURE IT OUT SOON I GUESS BUT ROSS GOES HARD

  • E-Hustle

    That nigga Rob from XXL is obviously a Officer Ricky dick rider.
    I like how everyone else basically bodied his ass the entire time.
    As far as someone who kills, murders, slaughters hot beats, check for Eminem on every single shit he has been on. He executes all dem shits and anyone else that has ever featured on them.
    Go ask Jay, Drake, Wayne, Kayne, Game how it feels. Only nigga he aint never kill was 50. And that is kind of surprising to me being as 50 is not lyrical, but has went toe to toe with Em on there classics. Patiently Waiting, Don’t Push Me, and those Green Latern mixtapes they were both killing Ja Rule on.

    Anyways, back on topic, Ricky better push his shit back because that nigga Em going to outsell this album featured fucker in his 7th week!
    Ross has a nice flow and does get some of the hardest beats, but the nigga is a fuckin COP! Nigga is a fraud. Who the fuck can support a nigga locking dudes up and then talking all crazy like he a drug king pin.
    Yo Ed Lover, where you at….
    COM’ON SON, FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT!!

  • that nigga

    Niggas is haters, XXL Staff and all. This nigga Ross is FUCKIN KILLIN IT RIGHIT NOW. Im from Jersey so dont hit me with that favoritsm and Geography shit. Where is 50 now?? And LYRICALLY the dude is nice, you guys serious or just plain hatin? And…..he’s consistant, must I add…I havent heard a wack song or album from “Officer Ricky” as you guys call him yet. Stop hatin’ man an respect that man’s craft. Period. So the answer is, YES, that dude can stand on his own two. His fuckin beats are epic, too.

    • Anonymous

      None of what u jus said is true & u are a delusional Officer Ricky stan

  • that nigga

    Ok, he does need to change his subject matter.

  • missesunsaid

    In early Ross days, “Hustlin” is the song that I couldn’t deal with, the music was too eerie and the chorus is repetitive. Then he came out with “Push It” and I thought that song was hot to death, loved it.
    Nowadays I’m not feeling Ross because he is too uptight. He brings nothing refreshing to the game. This is my opinion, I’m very moody when it comes to music. Like for instance, I like Gucci Mane but I don’t like Ross. What kinda sense does that make?

    • Lloyd Sprayweather

      plenty. gucci is da streets. ross is da penal system. big difference. for all of those talking about every rapper embelishes, some do keep it a lot more real than others, and gucci is a perfect example.

    • swype-matic

      I get what your sayin’, cause I can listen to Jeezy all day, full albums and all, but I can’t listen to Rick Ross and T.I. in the same way. And it was proven when I downloaded that T.I. “Fuck A Mixtape”, listened to like 3 songs, and said “fuck this” and deleted it off my cpu.

  • Dub

    His music is really impersonal, I got the same problem wit Jay… You can rap about something other than the hoes, money, and drugs. Hell, Kanye and Eminem are perfect examples of what can be created if you let the audience in. Some of his lyrics should be more introspective cause the beats he uses really fit that mood better than that “get money fuck bitches” rap

  • BossGame

    “Here’s a little something bout a nigga like me, never should have been let out the PENITENTIARY,ICE CUBE would like to say that I’m a crazy motherfucker from around the way”.

    ICE CUBES opening verse on NWA’s gangsta, gangsta.

    MC’s have always embellished.

    Get ya money RAWSE!!!

  • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

    Rick Ross is popular but he’s not ill. His skills are CRAZY overrated.

  • Whitemanfromtown

    So was Biggie.

  • yoprince

    i’m a fan of rick ross, but dude is not great. he just makes very listenable rap records. my jaw has never dropped after hearing a rick ross verse.

  • http://www.bboycult.com $yk

    Rondell: I think there are things about Ross that people just can’t get past.

    ^ this

    Me and the homies had this same convo last nite at the bar. Cats ain’t hating on Ross, most of the homies like his music, they just ain’t f^cking with him.

    I can see this TD album getting DL’d the f^ck up.

  • Heather

    I’m so glad that people are starting to see Rick Ross for what he really is – untalented. He rides on the coat tails of real rappers and he says the same shit over and over again. I am so tried of him. I hope the whole industry gets tired of him too.

  • jonny bizness

    I think dude can hold his own, ricky ain’t the best but for some reason his joints knock ridiculous his production takes me back to the mid 90′s and its more than a knack of finding the right producers I’ll give credit where it’s due bravo

  • Peso

    Rozay is dope, I wouldnt say a emcee yet but a rapper for now. Consistent since 2006 and thats hard to find in the rap world of today. He got a good ass ear for them beats and the features help a lot to. He knows who to put on what song instead of just massive DJ Khaled posse cuts with no direction lmfao

    He makes good music, cant see how anyone can front on that. The CO & phony thing was BIG because he lied like Trick Daddy and Maino said and I agree with them but if you check the record books the last 2 REAL REAL emcees/rappers I know was Big and Pac…so anyone after them is in question.

    he’s solid, voice & flow on point, beat game crazy, knows how to pick right feature for right song…equals out to being solid to me and thats cool cause everyone cant fit into top 5 dead or alive anyway

    what people dont realize is that these poeple are not selling drugs, killing everyone in sight or carrying 1000 guns at a time anymore (except T.I. lmfao) if any of that is even true but I know one thing we wouldnt know unless we knew them before rap or during there career. This is entertainment, thats why there called entertainers

    wacka flocka, soulja boy and all them wack dudes of today gets no play…rather listen to phony ass Ross to make some quality music over that trash…bottom line

    Fiddy couldnt even knock him off like ja rule years ago and the boy lied about being a CO…WOW, fiddy sucks ever since get rich or die tryin (classic) and the first g-unit album and the soundtrack to the get rich or die tryin movie

    • T

      ^50 is atleast better than Ross & Ross couldnt knock 50 off so dnt be 1-sided u biased fool…….Ross sucks, 50 has sold more, has had way more classic & jus better records & has 4 albums that are better than all 4 of Ross’ albums……….

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  • http://nowahblack.tk condom

    rick ross is putting out better music than anybody

    • T

      Thats the most biased lie I ever heard u loser! He dnt even put out decent music, let alone good hahaha

  • Smooth Operateur

    Wait wait I have a problem with that Rick Ross shit since a long time. Same problem as with Game basically, who is always praised when he releases an album, but never gets remembered when we talk about great rappers…

    Rob says: “I think it’s just “cool” not to like Rick Ross”. Man I’m sorry, it’s been years I’ve been noticing the exact opposite. Ross has been cool for no reasons for too many years…

    How much time did I heard or read listeners or people in the industry talking how Ross “got swag” (which is one of the worst expression I heard in hip hop history by the way)? What’s swag aside of a fraudulent superstar status acquired when you want to be a star and get signed to a m!ajor label, which is just a fake image and attitude?

    I can understand that teenagers breast-fed on mainstream bullshit rap love RR, but what about people who are into hiphop since 10 years or more? Rick Ross? Are you joking?

    First, aside of his fake rap character, he does not have any personnal trait to hold on, and that’s a bad point when you try to achieve real superstardom or want a status of a real artist.

    Lyrically who dares to call him a MC?

    All time great rappers/MCs:

    KRS One, Rakim, Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z, 2Pac, Eminem, Scarface, Andre 3000, Tech N9ne, Twista, E-40, Crooked I, Z-Ro, K-Rhino, T.I., Keak Da Sneak, … And the list goes on and on

    We can add people like Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, Lil B, even Young Jeezy… But Rick Ross ????!!!!!!!

    Just like they say: mostly good beats and features but that’s it… If you’re still looking for a great MC in Florida you should focus more on Bloodraw you so-called hip hop professionnals…

    • megulito

      gucci aint an mc rawse is easily better i was agreeing with u till then

  • Anonymous

    officer ricky stay cuffin u dumb cunt

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    Rick Ross is a dope rapper and not a MC

    can you see him moving the crowd? He’s just starting to get shows. He is just starting to get on. His first album was more like a demo. You can tell from his flow taht he is new to this and is doing it for the money.

    Regardless, rick ross is a dope rapper. he can rap. he does have metaphor skills BUT its usually limited to one subject matter. He also has GREAT wordplay. rick ross flips words. he has three to four flows. good rhyme schemes. As a rapper, rick ross has a core audience.

    Regadless if rick ross is a dope rapper he gets mad respect. just for surviving that 50 cent battle. he actually came out on top. i don’t want to get too deep BUT rick ross hangs out in the hood when he comes to cities. he will burn one with ya. as for real drug dealers not existing, nah i know a few that bring ross to shows locally. He stays in a hole and the wall club. thas why bmf gets burn. thas why he is mad respected.

    regardless if he was a co, rick ross can rap. ross has the basics and he’s spitting what his audinence wants to hear. if dope lyrics were in he’d prob rap like talib or scarface but since dope music is in he spits dope lyrics.

    rick ross is doing a move that will satisfy his fans and bring in more fans. having those features don’t take away from his skills. it’ll get his skills heard. once ross has that postion his next album is gonna be the one that defines his career.

    ross will get that mc label when he can move the crowd and switch up his content.

    • T

      Nah 50 came out on top…..

  • The Beast

    Yooooooo… Teflon Don is a solid masterpiece and Ross more than proved that he could hold his own with Deeper Than Rap. Everyone knows that album was the real “Album of The Year.” He’s an MC and I can’t really see any other reason to say he’s not.

    “Freemason” with Jay has been on repeat since this past Thursday. The next time you guys have a “Aim & Fire” – invite some pure regular Hip-Hop heads that approach the album as a fan not a journalist that’s looking for the angle to critique or give props aight.

    Overall… good content XXL!

    Stay up homies,

    Seneca “The Beast” Doss

    • T

      Masterpiece??? U gotta be fuckin kiddin me u stan fool…………Album of the yr??? NOPE, it wasnt even 2nd place let alone the best, I can: cuz he cant spit good lyrically & he cant even make good records on his own let alone with help!!! Not XXL u crazy, its an L, maybe even a M

  • e

    the funny thing is they say we dont know who he is thats a joke we dont know who any rapper is the fact that the people in this mag still dont understand rap is 90% fictional is a problem just like fab talking about keys and how he will shoot people is hilarious to me knowing how many times he has been robbed on his home turf and is in no way gonna harm anybody

  • bullets

    ROSS HAS A PHENOMENAL FLOW AND GREAT RAP VOICE REAL CLEAR AND POWERFUL BUT LINE FOR LINE HE REALLY ISN’T THAT GOOD BUT WITH HIS FLOW TYPICAL DRUG DEALING SUBJECT MATTER AND HIS BEAT SELECTION HE SHOULD BE OK!!!!!!! HIS MUSIC IS BETTER AS AN ENTIRE PACKAGE WITH THE FEATURES AND SUPER CLEAN IMAGERY….

  • Suvio Blue

    ross has a below average flow ( listen to his lyrics, dude is still on rhymin car w bar, hat w rat) he got a simple flow…yea he has a few good verses sprinkled in but when u done made 30 songs and got 5 good verses that dont pan out…and its his raspy voice along w the beats that makes his lame flow seem better than it is…and w the whole CO thing, bein on aint so bad if ur not a hip hop artist in present day…the thing that irks me is he talk all this “real nigga” stuff but he couldnt even be real w himself!

    • T

      REAL TALK THERE MAN, PROPS!

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  • truth about truth!!

    THIS MUSIC IS 4 STREET NIGGAS NOT 4 U 9 -5 DUDES IMA STREET NIGGA THAT UNDERSTAND EMINEM HAS A CRAZY FLOW BUT I DNT WANT 2 HERE THAT SHIT!!!!ROSS SPIT THAT SHIT WEATHER ITS AUTHENTIC TO HIM PERSONALLY BUT ITS REAL SHIT TO A NIGGA N THE THESE STREETS.ON TOP OF THAT HIS RYME SCHEMES ARE ORIGINAL HE DNT NEED A METAPHORE TO CARRY A VERSE HIM N T.I ARE ALIKE N THAT WAY..HE JUS TALK THT SHIT THAT MAKE A STREE NIGGA WANNA GO GET IT!!!!HE MITE NOT B TOP 5 ALL AROUND BUT N THE STREET HE TOP 3 U PICK THE ORDER HOV JEEZY N THE BOSSSS!!!FUCK THESE SQUARES TALK HEAVY ROZAY U THE STAR DWN ALONZO MOURNING WEEKEND!!!!!

    • http://www.bboycult.com $yk

      Real cats in “da streets”, at least that I KNOW, don’t fukk with dude, like I said in my comment above.

      It’s cats who are motivated by the delusions of grandeur who love this guy.

      The “real” cats I know are waiting for Jeezy.

      And 9-5 dudes are hustlers too. Isn’t the whole CO thing about “hustling”? Getting to the paper to feed you and yours?

      • General

        Actually Syk that BMF track that Ross has is probably the street anthem of the summer so far. I know a lot of cats in the streets that Fuck with Ross heavy as well as Jeezy. Most of them don’t get caught up in the tabloid hip hop shit that goes on in these sites…

  • JC

    Rick Ross is nowhere NEAR great…and he should take Tears Of Joy off the record cause he pushed it TOO far on that one…lol

  • Anonymous

    BUT N THE STREET HE TOP 3 U PICK THE ORDER HOV JEEZY N THE BOSSSS!!!
    ^^^^^^

    Hov in the street lmao, where they do that at?!?! if anybody of them “Roc” boys it be Beans, that nigga been inna a tie for 4 albums now dude…id put Styles P up there!

  • http://twitter.com/Tariq8442 Tariq8442

    If Rick Ross could stand alone he would be alone he’s wack

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    jayz has a forver ghetto pass. the hood don’t care about all that tom foolery that alot of you over analyze. Rick Ross has a growing fan base. like jeezy ti and jayz Rick Ross is hitting up all these hole in the wall clubs. thas how you build ur street rep and loyal fans.

    Again, rick ross’s first album was pretty much his demo. second one was like his first and the third one he got a grasp of it. this one is his introduction to the world. jayz had roc la familia filled with features. it help set up…THE BLUEPRINT.

    i’m not a big rick ross fan but i love hip hop. its an art to making music and an art to selling it.

  • http://www.soundclick.com/showtimeny ShowTime NY

    Dam I feel like Matt is my twin brother?

    I been tryna figure out what ppl fine so good about Rick Ross.

    This my annylasis and this is coming from a dude who can spit.

    1. Is he whack No. Is He great No.
    2. Lyrically he reminds of a weaker version of Wayne in that.. He will spit some whatever bars and then have some exceptional lines line with fluid flow. However with less frequency than Wayne and far more repetitive flo pattern although unique to him as Wayne.

    (As oppose to a Prime Jay or Nas that every bar was some shit).
    3. He does know how to make bangers.
    4. Beat selection. He does have some good beats but I dont think its great as ppl claim.
    I think he picks the best of whats popular right now as far as those thumping Southern beats. But I find a lot of his Production sound repetitive. Would you say his beat selection is better than Outkast? Or Jays.

    5. Another thing thats repetitive is his subject matter.

    _______________________________

    XXL you can check my music. I think my own skills gives me certain authority. You can be the judge.

    I think my mixtape is better than His album.
    I think Distant Relatives is the Best album this year.

    I think Em spazzed and showed Growth but honestly that DR shit is the Only think I can Bump beside myself.

    Click the Name
    And DL the mixtape.

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  • Anonymous

    wheres the recovery review???

  • keith

    C.O. RICK ROSS is a fake dude! he an pretty good rapper, but a fake dude

  • anthonyk

    Ross goes hard!!! top 5 in the game right now,stop hating and get over that c.o shit,teflon don july 20th

  • Stan-Layy

    I’m just waiting for the first Police Sheriff to make a debut album about selling big D, being accepted by mainstream hip-hop fans and selling a million copies statewide. Then I’ll be waiting for the excuse by the Sheriffs fans about why and how they can listen to a walking contradiction.

    ROSS IS THE REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Stan-Layy

    Just so teenagers won’t say i’m “hatin” (That word is so damn old, i was using it when ya’ll was watching tele-tubbies and power rangers)

    I don’t listen to Ross, but the consensus is that he makes better music each album he releases. It seems to me that Ross saved his career by a last resort method not thought of by many in the game. MAKE GOOD MUSIC. You make good music for your Fanbase and they will come. Sounds simple in theory but difficult to put into practice.

  • pr0b

    this is crazy, ROSS IS KILLING THE GAMe.

    TEFLON DON HAD STUNNING PRODUCTION VALUES JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ALBUM, AND HE DELIVERS

    11 features, ANd he had like NONE on the last album, it seems like hes creating a balance to me.

    that argument he only picks hot beats cuz he can’t rap is bullshit

    IF YOUR FAVORITE RAPPER PICKED TRASH BEATs, they would be nowhere … jay-z knows look at blueprint 1 … Eminem knows look at recovery

    HOT PRODUCTION IS PART OF BEING A GOOD MC, IT HELPS IMPROVE DELIVERY, AND MAKES IT A PLEASURE TO LISTEN TO MUSIC.

  • Anonymous

    Ross’s beat selection>Ross’s career

    Ross knows what tracks can paint the picture most street dudes fantasize about. But other than that, he is a typical forgettable trap rapper. He should be running a production company not rapping.

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    lol@pop culture.

    its like ross can’t win for loosing. now his biggest downfall is picking good beats. wow.
    1st. if the hip hop was ufc or the wwe or mortal kombat…i think each rapper has kill moves and great skills. likewise they all have weakness. Ross does have lyrical skills but he makes music. its not like he can’t change up his pattern. In addition, somethings that are often simple are so deep.

    last, i think you guys need to read up on some of the Sheriefs who actually have been running Drugs through most cities. its a shame for people to look at the game from a far and not really understand how it goes down. even jesus was gangsta with out being gangsta.

  • Port Lyfe

    Ross is okay at best. The real reason a lot of ppl dont fuck with Ross is because one he is a phony. No one believes him about that dope selling shit. 2 he named himself after a real street nigga thats still living WHO DOES THAT? and 3 he really aint that lyrical. Real niggas I know waiting on Jeezy.

  • Stan-Layy

    @ ff1one@yahoo.com

    You know what I meant. I not that naive to the game. People in positions of power in every major american city are potentially using their influence for the exact opposite of what they claim to represent. We know certain individuals have to be turning a blind eye to the corruption manifesting itself in our City Halls and Police Departments. No need to compare rap sheets babe

  • dnt-no-nudda

    well i think he has moments im not really a big fan but hes got skills thats for sure yeah hes a fake but meh hot beats and the odd verse worth catching i do like his flow the whole persona kinda puts me off i dnt no he doesn’t bring much variety id rather listen to Jeezy or T.I

  • dnt-no-nudda

    well i think he has moments im not really a big fan but hes got skills thats for sure yeah hes a fake but meh hot beats and the odd verse worth catching i do like his flow the whole persona kinda puts me off i dnt no he doesn’t bring much variety id rather listen to Jeezy or T.I

  • Killa

    I understand the reason for debating Rick Ross’ legacy due to the emergence of a new and much improved teflon don, but is it fair to judge an artist based on one album or year? Personally, I think when judging the “hip-hop elite” you must take in to consideration the full body of work as well as their contributions to the genre as a whole. Pac brought lyricism, Biggie brought swag, Dre brought west coast gangsta rap in to mainstream society and Ross? I couldn’t tell you. While this may seem like a purely hateristic standpoint, I do think his stuffs been hot lately and if he can keep this up for another 5-10 years then we can bring this discussion back to the round table. Overall, way to premature given Ross’ past contributions.

  • Fleece Johnson

    One thing is sure…Dude and his music seems to be on a lot of folks mind right now. LOL

    Ross is winning, and I suspect time will count him amongst the elite.

  • gary

    if ross didnt fuk wit 50 he couldve been a top 20 mc like 50 is but no whe cant be even if he sell a mill is firsdt week with teflon album

  • sparkcity911

    STAND ON HIS OWN 2…….
    MY NINJA THATS A LOT OF WEIHGT TO BE HOLDING UP
    ON SOME FUCKED UP KNOCK KNEED SHIT…NIGGA GOT
    A JOHNNY BRAVO FIGURE…

  • gift

    Rick Ross is a spitter. He gets better every album. It’s obvious that the peeps at XXL on that biased shit. To say dude can hold his own, but he is not liked or respected, is the problem right now wit hip hop. How is it that Lil wayne can rap about being a blood, sellin keys, and a whole bunch of other shit, that we know he did not or will not do, but Rick Ross is discovered to be a CO, and that takes away from his validity as an artist? FOH!!!!!99.9 of these rappers are lyin. If niggas are looking for factual street raps, go to pen, and listen to the inmates spit, because they would be the only rappers really down for what the fuck they talking bout, with the exception of maybe 5-8 rappers who are 100. no cupcake shit. No lies. Niggas need to get real.

  • balaramesh

    @gift,

    you are partically correct. rappers stay lying. however,ross OVERSENSATIONALIZES to the max. dude took so many l’s so far: c.o, nearly being sued for wearing knock off glasses on xxl cover, stealing a real hustler’s name, fiddy pulling dude’s unremarkable financial statements. ect ect.

    i can admit ross’s flow is pretty solid but again, you give him some of nas’s beats and his career is over. his wordplay is getting better but to consider him a top lyricist?!? nah son. dude becomes mediorce overnight with below average beats.

  • andresito

    well let’s start out with who is rick ross,
    well let’s say there is many sides, of this recording artist that everybody seems to talk about.Rick ross was a correctional officer everybody knows that he started hustleling as any rapper at the time trying to make it to the top so the question is can he be acount it as one of the gratest.
    i say no and i say yes – why because the dude is nowhere near to be the greatest and the defenition to gratest it varies from alot of people to what kind of style of hip hop or rap you like, yes – for example soulja boy the dude in todays market is a genius but in the eyes of hip hop old generations the kid is anoying and sucks and many people can agree with that but what makes an artist, love, passion and dedication. if you notice the most dedicated artist are the ones that become really succesful. Know that we are talking about rick ross this dude has all of those chritatrias. If we look at 50 cent when he started he’s recording carrer he did the same thing hustle and showed his love and his dedication to his music, true he is not selling as he use too but he is a bussiness man if 50 cent really wanted to he can make a come back. getting back to rick ross is an individual that looks at the industry like a few artist in the game , sure he talks about he does not do but truly how many of the artist you listen too have done half of the things they done, so to leave the matter settle yes he can become be consider on the top of mc’s in the near future

  • Anonymous

    your all retarded. RICK ROSS IS HORRIBLE. HE IS AN EMBARRASMENT TO RAP. HE SUCKS. he will never be close to the top. lil wayne sucks too. most of the shit out today sucks. yall probably think gucci mane is good too lol. What the fuck is the world coming too. Somebody give me a fuckin time machine.

  • BeerGangsta

    Ross will go Gold and maybe Platium. Telfon Don is a good Mixtape. Althought people think he sold out. Real Rick Ross won’t him to pay him for using his name. Miami king of the USA!! Go and get the CD.

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    “the bitch do tricks,the bitch do ‘cane, she snort off ya dick right before she give ya brain.”

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    “BeerGangsta says:

    Ross will go Gold and maybe Platium. Telfon Don is a good Mixtape.”

    * absolutely quits, picks up ball and goes home *

    SMMFGDH

  • gaza

    ALL THESE RICK ROSS HATERS JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND!
    i think dat ppl r trying to compare ross to rapper such as lil wayne and others….U CANT DO THAT..
    TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT STYLES….LIL WAYNE IS DA TYPE WHERE U DNT RLLY HAVE TO B LISTENIN TO DA MUSIC AND U’LL HEAR ALL HIS METAPHORS AND SHIT….

    BUT WIT ROSS NOW…THE WAY HE SPITS FORCES YOU TO LISTEN BCUZ HES NOT ALWAYS DIRECT WITH HIS LYRICS
    ITS LIKE READIN A COMIC BOOK AND U GOTTA MAKE THAT CLOSURE BEWTEEN DIFFERENT PANELS
    IF YOU ADD THAT ON WITH CLASSY SMOOTH BEATS U GET THE COMPLETE PACKAGE

    I KNO HE HAS THE COMPLETE PASSAGE BCUZ ROSS IS DA TYPE DAT WUD DROP A SMOOTH CLASSY BEAT SUCH AS SUPER HIGH OR SWEET LIFE OR MAGNIFICENT ETC.
    THEN THE NEXT DAY DROP A STRAIGHT BANGA FOR THE STREETS!! LIKE HUSTLIN, B.M.F, MC HAMMER

    I THINK ALL YOU HATERS NEED TO STOP HATIN AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO HIS LYRICS AND MUSIC

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    If Rick Ross is one of the greatest mcs in the game right now then so is Wacka Floka Flame, Gucci Mane and Soulja Boy. hahahah this dude is a joke he is eatin off of great beat selection and guest appearances.He is weak and fabricated his whole persona.There is nothin entertainment wise about it, he is a mockery to rap music. He is portrayin somethin he is not, not rappin and stretchin the truth which most rappers do, he is flat out lyin and even if he could rap I still wouldnt give him a pass.He needs to hang up his mic along with all these other jokes that are gettin a pass in the industry.

    • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

      He will be a great mc when he gets a lyrical mc on a beat like Nas or Eminem and kills the song. Which will never happen so get used to him always being mediocre and probably flavor of the month which means he will soon dissappear.

  • bfaulk

    Ross is a joke…do you all not even remember the article on THIS SITE about the REAl Rick Ross. William Robets as a 100000% biter. Stole a name, a persona, a history. Nothing about the dude is real. I CANNOT support that when there are dude like Freddie (Tipton)Gibbs in the game. Real hiphop artiest rap to get out of the drug game. Lames rap to get in it.

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