XXL Dissects Eminem’s “Recovery,” Track by Track

Anslem: But this song is bad and ass.

Rob: I’m not a Pink fan. But she doesnt offend on this.

Adam: love the fact that Pink is on the song, Don’t particularly love the song.

Anslem: This song doesnt do it for me.

Vanessa: I won’t back down.

Matt: Em still kills this song lyrically, though…Song has grown me a great deal.

Rondell: These two together makes so much sense.

Rob: The beat is ILL. DJ Khalil is the fuckin’ man.

Vanessa: I am into “W.T.P.” hard.

Matt: “W.T.P.” shows that Em still has a sense of humor.

Rob: “W.T.P.” don’t do it for me. I tried to get into a White Trash Party once, they turned me away at the door.

Vanessa: I love how he even opens the song.

Jesse: The description of the white trash car is fucking hilarious.

Matt: I highly recommend “white trash parties,” I’ve been to a few (true story; Jersey has its seedy parts in the southern part).

Matt: Rob, you can tag along to the next one I go to.

Rob: I appreciate “Going Through Changes” though. This song is necessary. R.I.P. Proof.

Rondell: “Going Thru Changes” is the best song! Powerful!

Vanessa: This song tells me even more that this is the album that should have come out fuckin’ last fuckin’ year. Fuck.

Rob: Agreed

Vanessa: I love “I’m Not Afraid.”

Matt: I’m a “Not Afraid” fan, too.

Rondell: I’m a fan of “Not Afraid” too.

Jesse: Eminem – the realest rapper ever.

Matt: This really is a great song, the more I hear it.

Jesse:SEDUCTION,” I love this fucking song.

Rob: I hate the HOOK, Maybe Em should use Auto-tune.

Jesse: He’s got some of his best lines in this shit.

Matt: this beat kills.

Rob: Boi-1Da did “Seduction.”

Rob: I do think it’s funny when Em starts imating Jay on “Seduction” when he goes “Uhhh” like Jay did in “D.O.A.”

Matt:No Love.”

Vanessa: my fave!!!!!!

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  • nevvsbseu

    Em dropped another classic with this one! XXL rating!

    • kdb

      dante stop breathe and get the d**k out ya mouth

    • kdb

      dante stop breathe and get the d**k out ya mouth

  • Dante

    How much did Interscope pay you clowns to write this? The album is trash.

    • Anonymous

      this is a classic album…how ca u call it trash

    • TGB

      Your fucking dumb. album of the year fucktard. im not even an em fan and i know this shits fire.

    • Temka K

      If they even thought that about this album after hearing it, they should be fired! I will admit when I got my ass handed to me and you should too! Yeah I thought this album would be shit when I saw the track listing, but nah, this the best album hip hop has had come out in years! This is what the fuk rap is suppose to sound like. Not this shit I hear being played on the radio everywhere I go. He goes hard on this, and he real about it!

      Man I didn’t realize how much that shit with Proof effected him til he put dis out. He had a lot of luv for that ngga, he talk like they was blood, like he was a god to him, I respect Em now for saying all this.

      Imma be one pissed of bitch if dis album don’t win it all at the grammy’s this year! They need to send a message to Hip Hop! Put some f’king substance in your shit, stop producing techno beats, and spit that shit like you mean it!

      And Space Bound is a side of Em I never seen before! It’s moving, and real, and you gotta love a track that the nga blow his brains out on! And I aint a honkey!

      • P

        Co-sign everything you said……150%

        and i cant believe people shitting on Space Bound…thats actually one of my fav tracks on the album, thats some str8 from the heart shit, he lyrically paints a fuckin picture with that song and the mood of it and the lyrics are on point…..Anybody who really loved someone and they tore your heart out can relate to this song….brings back some memories of girls i loved but coulda torn there fuckin heads off too lol

    • SWORDZ

      Excatly my thoughts bro…

      Like WTF?? lol

  • Anonymous

    Dante has no idea what he’s talking about, he’s gotta be one of them cats that just hates eminem for breathing in his air or summin….. Best eminem album since the MMLP, By Miles blows the last 3 out the water……Punchlines for fuckin days, Mad emotion and heart in this and the beats knock, If this Em album isnt good enough for you just stop listening to him period because this is one of his finest moments

  • Adam

    This has got to win at least the rap gram,y. I voted XXL, this has to get the classic rating, i recon it ties with mmlp as his best albums, you can’t really say one is better than the other because they are so different. Either way pleasssssse give this the XXL rating, you know it deserves it.

  • jonny bizness

    please please xxl don’t give it a xxl you will lose all credibility with that 1.look at all the albums u have gave a xxl and compare them to recovery.will y’all be bumpin this 10yrs from now ? does it play seamlessly from start to end ?

    • Jemall

      You is retarded! Yea it plays seamlessly from start to finish! What the hell is wrong with you! This album is better than Allot of the albums they give an XXL to! STFU

  • AZ40

    We get it you guys love everyting, I wouldn’t give this album an XXL, an XL not an XXL. For me some of the hooks were wack as well as a couple of beats, we all know he got lyrics for days and he proves it on this, but some of the shit I just couldn’t get wit.

    • Anonymous

      If you come back to read these reponses, I hope you DEFINITELY read the comment from Deshawna Powell towards the bottom if that’s your reason you gave it an XL!!

  • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

    Only one Em solo album HASN’T won the Grammy for Best Rap Album (I think it’s easy to guess what one), so there’s no way this classic won’t win.

    Recovery gets better after every listen.

  • Teddy

    man i love cinderella man that shits catchy as well real stomp the yard kinda beat and i like that bit it goes

    “who, who,” and the bit get your crew to stand behind you like like woooooooooooooooo”

    sounds crazy and sounds like a jab at officer ricky

  • Tank

    this album is great..has like one song i wasnt really into but other then that its great…i love how he uses chord progressions in his songs (Space Bound, Love the way you lie…)..i wont compre it to The MMLP because this album goes in the completely opposite direction…on MMLP he was angry on this one hes uplifting and getting his personal demons off of his chest…if you dont like it…thats cool..maybe your just not into uplifting music….but if you are you will love this album…his flow is at better then ever..the punchlines, the story telling…its all there…and of course we get our typical eminem humor lines…album is a classic..much better then encore and relapse

  • Young Truth

    I love the album but there is no way it is perfect… Really?? I mean Im gonna base my rating on Em, not on anything else, like others in the game… I hold him to a higher standard… its a great album, but XXL, no way

  • http://eminemgod.proboards.com ASID

    Classic Album for sure

    After a terrible Encore and a medicore Relapse , Em gives us another MMLP

  • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

    One follow-up thought: The single fits perfectly in with the tone of the album and they actually sound better within the context of the overall album rather than on their own (which is the opposite of his usual first singles).

    • yoprince

      i def agree with that. the single sounds much better in the flow of the album.

      i still think about 4 tracks could’ve been cut to make it hit harder.

  • http://eminemgod.proboards.com ASID

    Not a “honky” or white

    But Space Bound happens to be one of my favorite tracks

    Plz plz plz make a video for this Em

    • P

      Co-Sign…..i love that track

  • Teddy

    the only flaw on this album is that some songs woulda been way way way better had he given the signing parts to someone who can sing cos it distracts from the song on some instances like the proof song like that hook man really woulda been better with someone singing it for him or some shit like the ason jones track like thats a well done tribute song i think the proof track kinda falls flat cos of the hook but meh asides from some bits he shouldnt have sang so much or got somone to help back up his vocals so its not so annoying XXL classic u guys better give this album a classic rating because if this isn’t and clipse hell hath no fury is then SMH

    • sleaziest

      TEDDY i AGREE THAT CLIPSE WASNT CLOSE 2 CLASSIC @SLEAZIEST FOLLOW ME YALL

    • Holdup

      HHNF was classic. They are completely different albums. I won’t be angry if this gets a XXL because it’s a solid album and I think it’s hard to stay objective rating an Em album. But HHNF definitely deserved that shit, the production was Neptunes minimalism at its best, the lyrics were amazing and the overall feeling of it was incredibly cohesive.

  • Hussle’s Way

    voted XXL because this is what a hip hop album should sound like..

    Compared to ENCORE & RELAPSE, Eminem definitely delivered this time around. Just Great!

  • Bruce

    Its a classic,its awsome.The wordplay,lyrics,production is good.Good to see him work with different people.Great album.

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    I am an avid fan of Eminem and have been listening to him since the Slim Shady LP and have listened to almost everything underground he has done also. To me The Eminem show is by far his best album to date and it set the bar for great albums.The first album he was puttin his name out there, The second album he was spittin venom and callin every one out and yes it is a classic but I dont think he was at his creative peak until The Eminem Show.
    As Far as Encore and Relapse goes. Encore to me had some really good songs, I will stress SOME, the rest was pure garbage. Same with Relapse. It had some of his best songs in a long time on it while the rest was garbage and left the cd feeling uneven.

    Now Recovery, I did listen to all the tracks, though I didnt download it because I will buy it.
    As a big fan of his work I was a little let down by it but still loved it due to the fact that he put his all into the album and lyrically he murdered this cd.
    MY ONLY GRIPES. Was the beat selection ( while some of the beats where pretty good, some where ok at best) and he sung a little too much some times and it kinda got on my nerves. Im sorry but I really miss the hell out of the dope ass beats from the great albums from his past and his chemistry with Dre was second to none.
    My favorite tracks so far are Goin through Changes ( love he used a Ozzy Osbourne hook for the song), 25 to life, Talkin to my self and Not Afraid.

    • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

      “Yellow Brick Road” is an amazing song. If the rest of Encore was like that, things would’ve been much different.

      • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

        These where the hottest tracks on Encore in my opinion.

        Never Enough
        Yellow Brick Road
        Like Toy Soldiers
        Mosh
        Spend Some Time
        Mockingbird
        Yeah your right if the rest of the album where like these songs it wouldnt have came off as horrible, but there where more bad songs than good, what was good was real good, what was horrible was real horrible.

        • yoprince

          i liked rain man. shit was hilarious to me.

          i also liked puke, crazy in love, and evil deeds.

          encore wasn’t bad to me at all.

          actually ‘puke’ and ‘crazy in love’ are two of my favorite eminem songs of all time.

    • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

      “Yellow Brick Road” is a great song. If the rest of Encore had been like that, things would’ve been very different…

    • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

      Yeah, it’s clear songs like “My 1st Single,” “Weenie Man,” “Rain Man” and others were just the ramblings of an addict. Even back then I remember thinking it was so scattered and had no cohesiveness.

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    I am an avid fan of Eminem and have been listening to him since the Slim Shady LP and have listened to almost everything underground he has done also. To me The Eminem show is by far his best album to date and it set the bar for great albums.The first album he was puttin his name out there, The second album he was spittin venom and callin every one out and yes it is a classic but I dont think he was at his creative peak until The Eminem Show.
    As Far as Encore and Relapse goes. Encore to me had some really good songs, I will stress SOME, the rest was pure garbage. Same with Relapse. It had some of his best songs in a long time on it while the rest was garbage and left the cd feeling uneven.

    Now Recovery, I did listen to all the tracks, though I didnt download it because I will buy it.
    As a big fan of his work I was a little let down by it but still loved it due to the fact that he put his all into the album and lyrically he murdered this cd.
    MY ONLY GRIPES. Was the beat selection ( while some of the beats where pretty good, some where ok at best) and he sung a little too much some times and it kinda got on my nerves. Im sorry but I really miss the hell out of the dope ass beats from the great albums from his past and his chemistry with Dre was second to none.
    My favorite tracks so far are Goin through Changes ( love he used a Ozzy Osbourne hook for the song), 25 to life, Talkin to my self and Not Afraid.
    I GIVE IT AN XL, I DONT THINK HE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO MAKE ANOTHER EMINEM SHOW AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS FLAWLESS FROM BEGINNING TO END.He even said so him self that he thought it was his best work and he dont think he will ever be able to top it.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry TES Doesn’t have anywhere NEAR the verbal agility, depth, and heart of this Album. This is his best album to date!

  • avenger xl

    Once again stop being simple stans and bitches over albums. Everyone has their opinion, I own all of EM’s work and enjoy the way he delivers and writes his lyrics. The subject matter isn’t always something I am checking for and the beats are sometimes meh but he never disappoints on delivery and word play.

    Now seriously folks giving something a classic rating is about as silly as calling someone the G.O.A.T. How can we even rate it as a classic what genre challenging changes will this album bring about? How is this much different from the formula Em has always used more or less? Encore was his low point album and relapse his reintroduction of sorts as the slim shady character so by default this is a attempt to capture the brooding feel of a mmlp without the out right comedy of songs like “without me”. But all in all it is a solid effort if you are a fan of what EM does it didn’t blow me away nor did it make it to Marshall Mathers lp levels which is his blueprint in my opinion. This ablum is large and todays popped out climate maybe an xl. But classic I just don’t see how,folks need to stop throwing words like genuis and classic around it cheapens the meaning.

    P.S. it is nice to see xxl give bias support to someone besides the overhyped garbage that young moneys camp keeps throwing out. I guess dre and ivine are willing to pay for love to LOL

    • Anonymous

      Avenger so anyone with an ear for rap that calls this a classic is a stan? How many times have you listened to this album?? Imma f’king say it. IT IS HIS BEST ALBUM TO DATE! And i’m sorry you can piss and moan til for days. How is it different from the Em formula? Excuse me do you really listen to Eminem? What formula does he have? The only thing he’s ever done the same on every album, is Dre, D12, and making fun of celebs. Other than that all of his albums are different. And Guess what, NO D12, one Dre beat! No Honey you Aint never seen Em like this before! SMH No way! This is far deeper and real than he’s ever been! And you’ve Never heard him this hungry before!

      Dear XXL, I hope you are laughing your asses off at the ppl on here making fools of themselves, saying this isn’t a classic. These are the same ppl that are STILL Pissed there is No D12, 50, Dre, or slaughter House collabs on the album, and are convinced he going pop! They don’t understand How STUPID it would have been to put Em’s collabs with them, on his album instead of their albums, because all they think about is what they want, and not whats in the best interest of the artist. So the fact that D12 & SH would sell more Albums with Em on theirs, rather than the other way around hasn’t occurred to them! They don’t want to admit it’s it the best fking thing that’s come out in years, because of this and they aren’t going to! So please just laugh the level of credibility their losing and just give the album the Classic rating it 150% it deserves!!

      • avenger xl

        I have listened to it for about 48 since I got my advanced copy. Driving around and sitting at my desk at work. I plan on purchasing it and adding it to my EM collection also. Now once again what makes this a classic? Think about every other undisputed classic ever released and you will see that most of them shook things up after their release. I think this is a solid EM album and waaay better than the last two. But I know if EM continues to lean on his pin the sky is the limit, he just has to get past all of these label idiots and be willing to take more risks. Formula wise I agree he changed things up and went deep and kept the somber role through the whole album because the uber clown sophmore humor shady was there to introduce him to a wide audience. S0 the formula is new per se but I just don’t see the classic point here.

        classic formula- lyrics- check
        narrative- check
        beats- meh some good and some average.
        risk taking/genre challenge- by providing deeper subject matter he is injecting a little depth to the pop landscape.

        • Lilly Russell

          See DeShawna’s comment down below. It an EXCELLENT read. She answers your question! Yep RECOVERY = XXL CLASSIC
          NOOOOO Doubt about it!!

  • sleaziest

    classic album. em is back!!!!!!!!!!!! drake might as well accept 2nd place.DETROIT STAND UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • sway-z

    I think you need this AND relapse, cut a few songs off and make a double cd, their both necessary. I love the uplifting shit, but I got into that wild, crazy Eminem shit initially, so I can’t front on Relapse, plus I think that’s his best produced album, just beating Recovery by a hair.

    My Mom, Underground & Stay Wide Awake kills any beat on any Eminem album ever, plus he kills them lyrically, so I don’t know, but right now, Recovery is definitely up there, right under MMLP, right next to Eminem Show & Relapse

    • King Joffy Joe

      Co-sign @ sway-z, that “Stay Wide Awake” beat is a fool, ain’t it?

  • mike4282

    Just heard the tracks on youtube. And I can say by far this IS the most complete Eminem LP since The Eminem Show. Enocre–sucked balls and Relaspe was at best a “filler” to what I had been waiting for. I won’t say Relaspe was terrible..but it was just a filler. I like most of the beats, most of the hooks work and the lryics ARE SHADY, MARSHALL AND EMINEM. I don’t know if tis another classic like The Marshall Mathers lp and Eminem Show but its DAMN NEAR close. Need to listen a few more times for that. And yes I will STILL buy his lp–he’s that good.

    P.S.
    Thank God he stopped that “voice experimenting”.

  • Mario Has every em album M.

    I hate it, i love NOT AFRAID, NO LOVE, AND W>T>P is alright sound like a remix of hello other than that worst album from eminem ever an MEDIUM at best he needs to release RELAPSE 2 for the loyal fans i might buy it just to have.

  • Domjel

    I wasn’t feeling the album after the 1st listen (a job’ll do that to ya), but was loving it after the 3rd listen. Each song contains so an abundance of skill and mcing at the highest level. A posse cut with Slaughterhouse would have solidified it! XXL for sure.

  • KLETEWOOD

    I ADMIT…AFTER THE FIRST LISTEN I WAS KINDA DISSAPOINTED. I WAS THINKING…RELAPSE WAS SICKER.

    BUT…AFTER Endless Listens.. ITS PRETTY SICK. HERE’S A BRIEF REVIEW (without singles)

    COLD WIND BLOWS (SICK HOOK)
    TALKIN TO MYSELF (SICK HOOK & LYRICS)
    ON FIRE (NOT FEELING THE HOOK)
    WTP (IM FEELING THIS TRACK…FUNNY SHIT)
    GOING THROUGH CHANGES (NOT FEELIN OZZY)
    NO LOVE (Good Collabo)
    SEDUCTION (LYRICS ARE TIGHT, HOOK ALRIGHT)
    SPACEBOUND (COOL…BUT, DON’T LIKE WHINNY SHIT ABOUT KIM)
    CINDERELLA MAN (SICK)
    25 TO LIFE (I’M FEELING THIS HOOK/BEAT…BUT, DON’T LIKE WHINNY SHIT ABOUT KIM)
    SO BAD (FEELING THE BEAT/HOOK/LYRICS)
    ALMOST FAMOUS (GROWING ON ME)
    YOUR NEVER ALONE (COOL..AFTER BEAT DROPS, NOT FEELING HOOK)
    BONUS (SICK TRACK)

    ALL IN ALL….IM BUYING THE DISK AND ADDING IT TO MY COLLECTION.

    • anothaone

      25 to life isn’t about kim it’s about hip hop

      • KLETEWOOD

        Hmmmm. just gave it another listen. Didn’t realize it until the end.

        Good lookin out.

        Word to Johnny Drama.

    • Lilly Russell

      Re listen to space bound also, It’s not about Kim at all!! Which why it’s much more interesting! This is a new love AFTER Kim! I’m thinking either Marni or the assistant McGew, or whatever her name was/is! It’s actually the closest thing he ever written to a love song! Then he commits suicide at the end so it’s a very twisted love song.. I love it!

      • KLETEWOOD

        I don’t usually follow Em’s relationships. But…Both “Spacebound” and “25 to life” are tight tracks.

        I’m feeling the whole album. I don’t think this leak will be detrimental to Em’s sales. He’ll probably sell more because of the hype and bcuz girls will buy this album. I’ve already heard the Rihanna track on Shade 45 with many requests. Its a catchy hook.

  • Slvrshot

    Why does everyone assume Eminem is trying to somehow recapture what he did on the Marshall Mathers LP. Clearly he is not. This is a completely different beast. Not only has he advanced lyrically since that album but he has also advanced his delivery, wordplay, cadence, and story telling. I think Eminem has simply grown up. Just as someone is never the same from day to day, you can’t expect Eminem to release another MMLP. It will never happen. The year 2000 was a long time ago and if you go back in time, look at those albums, you’ll see that he has improved tremendously. Back then he was just spitting to beats, now his flow almosts feels like the beat. Eminem has mastered his craft. I have heard all of Eminems work. I think MMLP was his best, but I believe I may have to give the edge to Recovery. I think the songs here are more emotional, colder, and just real. Back then he was going more for controversy, now he is taking the best elements from his previous songs and carefully crafting his life stories into verses. The result IMO could soon be considered classic.

    • Haute

      Word ^ Can’t put it any better

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    @KLETEWOOD
    How could you not like the Ozzy hook? It fit so well in the song.It kind of reminds me of Sing For The Moment.After a few listens the cd has grown on me too, and I do believe it will stand alone as one of his best cds.In My eyes from top to bottom.
    The Eminem Show
    Slim Shady lp
    Marshall Mathers lp
    Recovery
    8 Mile sound track
    Relapse
    Eminem Presents Shady Records Compilation
    Encore

    • KLETEWOOD

      Sorry NAPTOWNNUISANCE. I feel like “Going through changes” after a song like W.T.P (an up tempo type track) is kind of a downer. It has great lyrics though.

      As for your best cd list. You got it right with The Eminem Show. But, the Marshal Mathers LP comes in a very close second. The Slim Shady LP is a questionable 3rd. I might put Recovery 3rd.

  • I am Music

    this album is not as good as i thought i would be but em i guess no rapper could be the best forever….. R.I.P Eminem career

    • Danny

      how are you gonna say RIP to eminem’s career when like 17 out of every 20 people think its fucking nasty? You not liking it doesn’t entail a “RIP eminems career” in any way shape or form lmao

  • Review

    Get eminem’s dick out all your mouths cuz i think the cum went to all your domez…… the album was dumb i am glad proof died before he herd this crap

    • Anonymous

      ^ kill your self disrespectful ass motherfucker

  • say whatt

    huge album failure!!!!!!!!

  • noname

    Eminem Fell Off Since Relapse Bring back Slim Shady…………..I wish his mom still treated him bad and kim kept cheating on him just so he can make good music again

    • Lilly Russell

      You are out your mind! that old Shady feels immature in comparison. If this Shady and past Shady were alone in a room together, This Shady would beat immature Shady to a bloody pulp, then grab him by the back of his neck and make him his B–ch, before he could even think about crackin a smile and lighting up a purp! He’s a BEAST!!

  • Menzo

    How did you guys not like Space Bound!? It’s a BEAUTIFUL song!

  • Anonymous

    Menzo people do not want beautiful song they want catchy songs and Sons with good punchlines…. im actually waiting to see if eminem is going to tweeter again and say he made this album is a joke and he tricked us all but i can only wish this was not the real album

    • Anonymous

      LMAO!!! I sooo love that everyone in the industry is listening to this album then reading comments like this, and laughing at retarded ppl sound saying this!!

  • Slim Shad

    Go To Itunes And Pick Up My Recovery It’s Way Better Than This

  • Crackee

    i gave it a M.sure the lyrics were fine(i actually think Relapse was better lyrically,go figure).the only reason this is better than Relapse is because he dropped the accent, that simple. Way too pop for an Eminem album, some beats were decent,some were trash. He shoulda had Nate Dogg sing his hooks. I might cop this down the road, but right now it aint givin me that “i gotta get 3 copies of this shit!” feelin.

  • Haute

    This album will live forever, em’s best work in my opinion and I hope it pisses all you haters off when he puts all your favorite rappers to shame at every award show for the next year, call me a stan I don’t care cuz I STILL DONT GIVE A FUCK

  • Mitch 3k

    Eminem can just never win……

    On “Relapse” people bitched cause there wasnt enough serious content, on “Recovery” people bitch cause the content is too serious, lol

    Oh well, I personally love this album, but if people wanna hate on it do you, that man is loaded anyway so what it sells is insignificant and if nobody else is happy with I am, lyrically I think he’s better now then he ever was

    *Kanye Shrug*

    • http://yahoo.com Jdubb257

      This is his best album EVER but for the record he is doing this for the fans not himself or the money

  • Lilly Russell

    I almost came unglued when I finished listening to this Album!! I picked my jaw up off the floor, and had to text my friend and admit he was right, I was sooooo so so stupid for worrying that it wouldn’t live up!! OMG! Dude He busts out like he’s on a murdering spree, freaking KILLING every single trax, raping it, then killing it again!! 4 real! .. I was like totally selling my self short by hoping for some “old slim shady”! Cuz he delivered them ALL with the kinda of depth, I’ve only heard moments of before! I think this is the first album where we get a whole person, like all 3, Em, old Shady, and Marshall, and in the raw! I’m not gonna lie either, I don’t give shyt what anyone thinks, This album is Definitely Better than TES! And allot of these trax can either take out or go toe to toe with traxs on MMLP and SSLP! And I’m gonna say Recovery is his Best Album! The tracks on MMLP and SSLP seem alittle immature now… Here’s just so focused, clever, raw, real, deep, and HUNGRY, that its palpable. I feel like if past Shady, and current Shady were in a room alone together, This Shady would beat immature Shady to a bloody pulp, then grab him by the back of his neck and make him his B–ch, before he could even think about crackin a smile and lighting up a purp! He’s a BEAST!! …He’s never put out an album that I haven’t been able to pick out at least 3 favs. I can’t do it on this one, cause are too many to love for different reasons, it hard to rank them!! It’s so so good!!.. And I’m SO glad I can totally say that shyt with Confidence, and freekin shoot down anyone who says it sucks, or that I’m exaggerating!! HAHA! It WILL DEF. win the Grammy for Best Album! oh yeah its that dayum good!… haha! … But Mostly tho, I’m SO seriously freekin proud of Slim for droppin this bomb on hip hop!!! I think he’s def. gonna make allot of these new Artists step up their game, and become better Rap artists! And Stop spittin these LAZY ASS superficial verses! HAHA!! Shady Records! AfterMath RIP PROOF!!

  • kedordu

    I RATED IT AN XXL . but its not aqn xxl . but since b.o.b , jim jones , gucci mane , rick ross got an xl . i guess this is an xxl

  • Dr. Dre

    Em You Failed Me Im releasing you from aftermath!

  • Da Bomb

    This Album is weak Soulja boy’s Album well top this Album!!!

    P.S Eminem should have used auto tune

    P.S Part 2 Fuck All you Eminem dick riders

    P.S Part 3 i wouldn’t download this album off limewire if i could

    P.s P.s….. That does not mean ill buy it…..

    P.s thats it i just wanted to say p.s again lol
    …….P.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slim shady is better than em!!!!!

    • Anthony Jenson

      Yup! That’s pretty much how stupid they sound, saying it’s not good enough! I wonder how many people read your comment and thought to themselves, yeah I totally agree with this guy! LMAO!!

  • Anonymous

    There are some real dumb asses on here, get off soulja boys dick and quit takin it from ass to mouth, I cant believe the level of stupidity some of you are showin.You do know this is a different side of Eminem, a more hungery one, listen to the album closely, then if you still arent impressed go listen to his old shit and hang your self if you arent happy for him and arent happy that he grew as an artist.He is back and better than ever get used to it because he is what hip hop loves and needs.

    PS Though I do agree Eminem show is and will always be his best cd.

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  • tommy gunz

    when its all said and done…this album will go down as a classic

    stamp it and certify it

  • What you recon?

    I can see why some people are sayin XL not XXL, but the thing is I can see my self listening to this 10 years from now because I find it better than the eminem show and on par with mmlp and I still listen to both of them.

    Secondly i noticed some saying you should compare it to other albums that got XXL and see if it stands up, but the fact is you should also compare it to albums in the XL catagory, i think you will see it kills everything in the XL catagory and fits much better alongside the albums you gave XXL.

    Dont worry i will shut up in a minute, you also got to think about the circumstances, this is like an epic return of one of the best MCs of all time, I mean ever since the Mariah Carey Diss track buzz has been building that hes back on track, and with the murder of lil wayne, and kanye on forever this album has been coming a long way off.

    The fact is if this doesn’t get the XXL what possibly can? Hip Hop needs another official classic, it raises the bar for everyone else and I think it will bring out the best in Kanye, Wayne, TI and Jay.

    Anyway these are just my thoughts.

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    i haven’t listened to it yet. call me old fashion but i like to wait to its offically released. The tracks that i did heard “i’m not afraid” i’m scared to listen to that. it sounds gay. to forced. The joint with pink. Lyrics bad hook. At this point in his career, Em can make an album full of seasme street songs and get great reviews from his stans. ya, that word is played out, so is played out, but em has prehaps one of the largest groups of fans that no nothing about music. They are bandwagon riders. They are the sara palins of politics, the type to show up at fourms and yell out.

    • Take it from me

      I am a die hard eminem fan but I still have the sense to see encore and relapse were overall crap, an if that doesn’t convince you I still heres some of my favorite albums, Common Be, Clipse Hell Hath No Fury, Mobb Deep Infamous, Kanye West College Drop Out. Saying all this I have listened to recover and yes I plan to buy it the minute it comes out, I know how you feel about Not Afraid it seemed forced, but in the context of the album it fits, and I promise you this album is amazing, The Pink song is one of only two I would rate less than a 5 out of 5. The album is amazing, don’t forget people always doubt eminem’s albums based on thier singles… Even MMLP.

    • Anonymous

      no actually his fans that have been with him since the beginning know a lot about music.

  • Cripin

    he needs new guest on his album

  • DeShawna Powell

    Sorry if this is dumb question but I don’t follow this white boy that closely, Who is the Chris he’s talking about on some of the songs? Is he talking about Chris Brown?

    Before I saw that the overwhelming majority felt it should get an XXL rating on the last page, I had only read the comments so I had to go see what the fuss was about, cause the comments on here are all over the place. I just finished it, and I wanted to say to the idiots nitpicking the beats on this Album, do us all a favor and find another music genre to like, and get the hell away from Hip Hop! With 5 deeply personal songs this white boy just pissed on almost every popular hip hop album to come out in recent years.

    Sit back cause I gotta lot of get off my chest! RAP is about telling stories to timed rhythms and melody. They inspire, console, educate, and /or can invoke feelings of good times, sadness, etc.. After skills, (cause lets face it if you aint got skills no one’s gonna listen to your ass,) Since the days of Melle substance has, and always will be, given more significance! What he did on this album is noble and brilliant. Rather than talking to us about politics, or general social issues in the hood, or in the world, that people may be able to relate to, but feel powerless over. This guy does something different, he got super personal and talked about what went on behind closed door’s in his personal life, when his grief was too much for him to bare. That stuff he talked about, like re-watching all the footage of his best friend, alone while popping pills, being a recluse, going over and over what people told him happened the night he was killed, and that he attempted to killed himself *with his daughter in the house*! That shit is deep! My brother is going through this very same thing right now, and Imma get this album for him, so he can hear both of these songs, I don’t give a f**k if he’s singing the chorus on YNO or not! He needs to hear, what it was like for this guy, what happened and what it’s like now! It’s extremely hopeful for people living through that! You know a black man is shot dead in LA almost every damn day? Every one of them got best friends who are left to struggle with their deaths, and make sense of it. How many Rappers are writing songs about how they couldn’t deal wit stuff like that, the effects on their kids and families, and what happened?? That’s really personal shit. Most brothers in the hood don’t deal wit it in a healthy way, they get revenge, or they stay angry about it, and live with a fcked up perception of life, for the rest of their life, or they do what this guy did and they don’t make it! They don’t turn that shit into something positive, or talk about celebrating their life, and living their lives for them! And he tells the story in an incredibly personal way, no fragmented lines, lists of vague adjectives, wordplay etc, that we usually hear in rhymes about struggles.. He does it like he’s having an intimate conversation with you, just straight from the heart, real talk, that everyone can understand! That’s RESPECT right there!

    XXl Already talked about huge amount humility he exposes in talking about his jealously and struggles in Talking to Myself.

    THEN the jaw droppers – In the one damn song you buffoons at XXL “ain’t feeling” he tells everyone about the feelings a woman made him feel, admits the power women have over him, his fears of being hurt, and the pain and anger he felt when she didn’t want him anymore.. He kills her and commits suicide in the end.. And the only thing you wanna mention is the beat, and honkeys?? Are you f’king serious? A Hard core super star Rapper, expressing how hard and deep he falls in love, and admits a woman didn’t want HIM and dumped HIM? Huh? My brain shorted out when I heard that. And never once does his ego attempt to water it down with mentions of sex, expensive gifts, money, how big a star he is, how many women want him, his big house or his cars! He stays ultra personal, nothing but raw personal emotions. It’s a rare thing to hear a Rap song in which the artist isn’t portraying women as hoe’s, or that they want to smack them around, rape them, or buying them expensive gifts to impress them into to getting their clothes off. And all women want is money! You know how many men really share the feelings he exposes, but will never say that shit! He sure as hell did, and again, no fragmented sentences, no metaphors, just straight from the heart so everyone can understand, and relate to it!..

    THEN he gets even more personal and tells us all, about how he struggles with domestic violence and express’s remorse for hitting his woman! How many hardcore Rappers have the guts to get personal like that? How many RAP songs do we have in which a Rapper express’s his own struggle not to hit his woman when he’s angry? How many G’s in the industry, and in the hood either do it or have done it?? If and when they do talk about it, like 2pac did, they do it generally, or through telling someone else’s story, as if it’s distant! Once again he does it straight from the heart! Yep that gets RESPECT right there!!

    I’m not saying we should totally change the substance of Rap about women, cause frankly sometimes it’s funny when we’re abused in stories, but the addition of the other side of that abuse, and the admission of that, on a level this deep, is refreshing. And it takes allot of guts! Don’t think he doesn’t know, he’s risking making himself a target for every Rap artist with a grudge or envy, to use that shit to make fun of him! It was very clever for him to include empowerment/ diss tracks, to serve as a warning to anyone even considering using it! I applaud him and I hope this guy just gave other Rappers more confidence to get more personal!

    Personally I loved, loved, allot of the beats, they’re a very creative mixture of different styles, and I was totally bumpin and my bass was thumpin through the whole album. But even if they aren’t others nigs flavors, you’d look like a fool if you said they weren’t crafted and composed beautifully and skillfully! Add to it the level talent and skills this white boy displays, well then using terms such as brilliant, and classic when describing this album is acceptable! The day we start giving albums poor to mediocre ratings because we gave more significance to our flavor of beats, than to skills, & talent, and messages of overcoming grief, addiction, voicing struggles with violence toward others, and struggles in relationships, this genre will seal it’s coffin. So any of the shits reading this mag not calling this a classic do us all in the genre a favor, STFU & GTFOH!

    • Jon Dog

      XXL, DeShawna Powell’s comment just made all of you look like little kids. Co sign every word she said. This album is going to raise the bar for all these other mc’s this magazine dick rides so much. Recivery is a classic. should get a XXL for sure.

      • Jon Dog

        “Recovery”, not “Recivery”…. My Bad.

    • Anthony Jesen

      Triple Rep every single word!!

      “How many RAP songs do we have in which a Rapper express’s his own struggle not to hit his woman when he’s angry?”

      Actually I don’t think there are any at all, from a personal prospective.. But there sure as hell are whole allot of them that could speak from personal experience! I think the few that address it, take pac’s approach and it’s either someone else’s story, or it they talk about it in general terms.

      I’m very sorry your brother is going through the same thing Deshawna. I hope he listens to GTC, YNO, & Not Afraid, and maybe feels alittle more hopeful & motivated to keep going.. Imma say a prayer for him, that he finds peace, gets through it, a stronger man.

      • avenger xl

        If like personal introspective rap also check out

        Commons album-one day it will all make since

        Atmosphere-most of his work

        Brother Ali- most of his work and lyrically he is a serious contender for many crrowns

        Sage Francis-most of his work

        El-p- step father factory/sqeegy man shooting etc…

        living legends- do a lot of personal introspective music.

        I notice most of the women are relating to the domestic violence thing because not too many other people have done this aside from brother ali talking about how his ex was trying to kill him.

        Oh yeah there are many introspective stories that come out of the hood to but they don’t resonate with everyone like domestic violence don’t hit home with me because I don’t condone violence against women and neither did my dad or mom. This is all a matter of perspective and if you guys with the help of this bias media machine want to silence desenting opinions go over to fox news and get a job or shut the fuck up PERIOD!

        • Keisha

          LOL Avenger!! earlier you listed your reasons for why it shouldn’t get an XXL rating, saying it won’t have any impact on the genre, and asking how it’s different from the usual formula. Someone shot both of those down, by simply pointing out the facts.. You admit the person was correct, and then state the album has all the ingredients of a classic except one thing.

          “classic formula- lyrics- check
          narrative- check
          beats- meh some good and some average.
          risk taking/genre challenge- by providing deeper subject matter he is injecting a little depth to the pop landscape.”)

          YOU weren’t feeling the beats. And Deshawna addresses that in her last paragraph, Deshawna – “But even if they aren’t others nigs flavors, you’d look like a fool if you said they weren’t crafted and composed beautifully and skillfully!” And goes to explain where the significance lies. (And I’m sure you meant Hip Hop seeing as that’s the only stations that’ll play Shady, and the only reason he rarely makes it into the top 10 of the radio charts!) So, now because you have to admit it does have all the ingredients. Well then:

          (“This is all a matter of perspective and if you guys with the help of this bias media machine want to silence desenting opinions go over to fox news and get a job or shut the fuck up PERIOD!”)

          Now people are trying to silence you??? LMAO, Man you is sounding more crazy by the moment! No one deleted anything you said! You getting ur ass handed to you is still up here for all the world to see! That’s just what happens when you try to put down an album that can’t be put down! Brother let it rest! It’s a classic! XXL!!

  • http://xxlmag.com Billp

    Okay, let me give you motherfuckers some help:
    uhh, here – DOUBLE XL, DOUBLE XL
    Now your magazine shouldn’t have so much trouble to sell
    Ahh fuck it, I’ll even buy a couple myself

  • Anonymous

    Matt: The line about wrapping “scissors in SARS” and feeding you to “Jaws” is amazing.

    It is indeed awesome… but it i can’t tell if its “scissors in SARS” or “scissors and saws”… i wonder if the itunes bonus deluxe version will contain a lyrics sheet, or the actual LP Vinyl version… i’d buy either format if that is confirmed… anyone know anything about this lyric, a lyric sheet included in some format? or what the +2 bonus tracks are on iTunes?

    After getting the leak in HQ I don’t see myself getting the CD in CD form… it just allows me now to afford the iTunes exclusive deluxe version and/or the Vinyl LP (yes I still buy, listen and love Vinyl… )… so Em still gets my money, if not more, mainly because of the quality of this Album… I own MMLP, SSLP, and ES on Vinyl… don’t own Encore, and do own Relapse but only because I got it half off as my record store had waaaay too many and put it on super clearance…. I’d love this on Vinyl … 19 Tracks potentially, at least 17 no filler skits or intro/outros…. you’re definitely looking at a double vinyl album, but possibly a triple vinyl album which would be cool.

    My overall feel on this album is — to the haters, what more could you ask for? What do you want from this guy…. he admitted you were write, his last 2 were trash “Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushing em out” — and gave you reasons for the trash… He heard the complaints about the accent, about getting back to ES, MMLP and I think he blows those out of the water in terms of rhyme scheme, flow, lyricisim, etc…. The content, the content you can hate on, if you don’t relate to going through a trauma or two and hitting rock bottom because of it, that’s fair, you might now… but he has a few songs that aren’t that anyways, more old MMLP joints…. But the guy did everything you asked for, no more accent, no more half-ass rhymes where it sounds like he’s freestyling, no more skits, no more bizzare, lloyd banks insert random aftermath, gunit shady records rapper here… none of them, just wayne and some guests for a coupld choruses… what more can you ask for? The guy’s rhyming style is where it was at his “best”… his content is improved… remember there were always a few terrible “made for TRL songs” on those great albums too… but his general ideas range from complaining about his life and whats been going on with him lately, uplifiting songs going forward, random fun tracks for him more than us like WPT, and a couple more radio friendly songs…. pretty similiar I mean he’s changed as a person he has new problems to talk about now, but that’s all I see.

    I think theres a good percentage of people who loved eminem who hated encore and that’s understandable we all did, but just could never get over it and gave up on em. Then theres the haters who hated him always but pretend like they used to like him since everyone liked him back then… and just hate no matter what…

    Both need to get a grip….

    imo….

  • http://xxlmag.com billp

    Matt: The line about wrapping “scissors in SARS” and feeding you to “Jaws” is amazing.

    It is indeed awesome… but it i can’t tell if its “scissors in SARS” or “scissors and saws”… i wonder if the itunes bonus deluxe version will contain a lyrics sheet, or the actual LP Vinyl version… i’d buy either format if that is confirmed… anyone know anything about this lyric, a lyric sheet included in some format? or what the +2 bonus tracks are on iTunes?

    After getting the leak in HQ I don’t see myself getting the CD in CD form… it just allows me now to afford the iTunes exclusive deluxe version and/or the Vinyl LP (yes I still buy, listen and love Vinyl… )… so Em still gets my money, if not more, mainly because of the quality of this Album… I own MMLP, SSLP, and ES on Vinyl… don’t own Encore, and do own Relapse but only because I got it half off as my record store had waaaay too many and put it on super clearance…. I’d love this on Vinyl … 19 Tracks potentially, at least 17 no filler skits or intro/outros…. you’re definitely looking at a double vinyl album, but possibly a triple vinyl album which would be cool.

    My overall feel on this album is — to the haters, what more could you ask for? What do you want from this guy…. he admitted you were write, his last 2 were trash “Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushing em out” — and gave you reasons for the trash… He heard the complaints about the accent, about getting back to ES, MMLP and I think he blows those out of the water in terms of rhyme scheme, flow, lyricisim, etc…. The content, the content you can hate on, if you don’t relate to going through a trauma or two and hitting rock bottom because of it, that’s fair, you might now… but he has a few songs that aren’t that anyways, more old MMLP joints…. But the guy did everything you asked for, no more accent, no more half-ass rhymes where it sounds like he’s freestyling, no more skits, no more bizzare, lloyd banks insert random aftermath, gunit shady records rapper here… none of them, just wayne and some guests for a coupld choruses… what more can you ask for? The guy’s rhyming style is where it was at his “best”… his content is improved… remember there were always a few terrible “made for TRL songs” on those great albums too… but his general ideas range from complaining about his life and whats been going on with him lately, uplifiting songs going forward, random fun tracks for him more than us like WPT, and a couple more radio friendly songs…. pretty similiar I mean he’s changed as a person he has new problems to talk about now, but that’s all I see.

    I think theres a good percentage of people who loved eminem who hated encore and that’s understandable we all did, but just could never get over it and gave up on em. Then theres the haters who hated him always but pretend like they used to like him since everyone liked him back then… and just hate no matter what…

    Both need to get a grip….

    imo….

  • Slvrshot

    Go listen to the MMLP again and listen to Recovery. There are about 7 or more songs on Recovery better than anything on the MMLP, including “Stan” (yea I said it).

    • Lilly Russell

      Yep I agree! Seriously Stan I an awesome song, and Dido melody could probably go toe to toe with the melodies on Going Through Changes, Space Bound, Love the Way You Lie, Your never Over, but how many people have Stans? It can’t compete with the substance of those songs! I can’t get through the 3rd verses of GTC, and YNO, without tearing up. I even get a little emotional by the time he starts pleading at the end of LTWYL…

  • Ste

    Think Em’s finally cracked it, this definetly has potential to be a classic, and I think he finally deserve’s 5mics, XXL or whatever rating these mag’s give..

    I can’t usually listen to a whole Em album except for maybe the Marshall Mathers LP but this is really the shit. And although I like Nas and Jay more they really aren’t on Em’s level right now..

    Give props to the illest right now.

  • http://freeps3cards.com/ alex

    eminem is just recovering from his downhill rap career

  • Mitch 3k

    I still dont care what anybody says, best Em album since the 2nd one, anybody wh aint feelin this, just isnt looking for what I look for outta hip hop, Must be more fans of Dance Music and Southern Chant-a-long shit, I listen for lyrics, and this album has a prime lyricist in prime form, over (MOSTLY) great production

    Of Course, then again its Eminem we’re talking about, so the rules are diffrent……Ems fans may kiss his ass even when its not warranted, thats true, but his haters are just as bad, Em could cure cancer and alot of his critics would still complain about the way he did it, so it is what it is

    Recovery ins definatly a first day purchase though, If you like a Good Lyrical Rap album, here it is

  • Lacee

    Since its 100 to 1 if I even make a slight critique I won’t bother with followups. I made a strong point in his video post on here about having the aura and recognition about him that pushes him to continually be this God. Not one Staff member of probably the last read hip hop magazine is going to stand up and grow some balls to admit that his pen game is slipping and his beats are more commercial than ever before? I gave this twenty straight listens during my gym routines, because die hard fans beg and plead to give it one more try, and from over exposure like this. I’m raised off of KRS, Big Daddy Kane, and Guru. Watched them get erased for Eminem, Flo Rida and Soulja Boy. Saw Jeru and Pharaoh Monch numbers fail in comparison to like Rick Ross. People don’t even know who Slaughterhouse are or any of the members individually. Yet you are going to listen to this album one more time and tell me in the great world of Hip Hop this album deserves the highest honors with the likes of 36 Chambers? This is the last credible magazine left, I know what Ems done for you and has stayed loyal to your magazine, but if he gets the highest honors, myself and true crate digging lyric loving mcs and the general soul of hip hop is going to die a little.

    Eminem has and always will be overrated, and this album wasn’t awful don’t get me wrong, but these reviews are a bit suspect. In the prime years of hip hop he would have been checked a long time ago. But if he’s giving his long time fans the sort of thing they want, I am happy for everyone.

    • avenger xl

      100 to 1 hmmm these bitches better go get back up because they won’t be getting me to drink the kool aid this day and Thank you Lacee you articulated this in a way I have felt but never thought of.

      • Lilly Russell

        And you two look even more ridiculous w/ your overrated BS! You tell me who is better, and back that shit up with verses! Better yet, lets just go ask whoever it is, you think is better, if they wanna go toe to toe with Shady, and if they think they’ll win. I’ll put my next two paychecks down that answer is “umm, no”!

    • Keisha

      @Lacee – “Not one Staff member of probably the last read hip hop magazine is going to stand up and grow some balls to admit that his pen game is slipping and his beats are more commercial than ever before?”

      They won’t do it, because they actually listened or read the lyrics, and they have to maintain their credibility! TRUST ME, I just witness this debate, on a forum. A couple of morons, who hadn’t even heard the lyrics but refused to believe people saying his were better here, than previous albums, kept throwin out Em’s best lyrics at them, and 3 guys shot right back with lyrics from this album and KILLED them every time! Oh but it didn’t stop there, then they went to Jay-Z and Nas, using the same type of tracks, Diss track for diss track, empowerment track for empowerment track, love track for love track. Em slayed them with this album. Better find a website with accurate lyrics and read them bitches, before you wreck your credibility!

    • Lilly Russell

      Oh my god! I can’t even believe you said that! LMAO!! Okay for real, you guys haven’t really listened or read any of this album, And ignorant statements like proves it! His pen is slippin! LOL TOO FUNNY

      Here’s how old Shady used to tell pop stars he’s here to stomp them out..

      “Will Smith don’t gotta cuss in his raps to sell his records;
      well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too!”…..goes off on a rant about critics, then back to pop stars….”I’m sick of you little girl and boy groups, all you do is annoy me
      so I have been sent here to destroy you [bzzzt]” – I’m slim Shady

      Here’s how Mature Slim Shady tells pop stars he’s here to stomp them out.

      “I just wrote a bullshit hook in between two long ass verses if you mistook the for a song, look
      This ain’t a song its a warnin to Brooke Hogan and David Cook
      That the crook just took over, so book
      Run as fast as you can,
      stop writin and kill it,
      Im lightning in a skillet,
      your a fuckin flash in a pan
      I pop up you bitches scatter like hot grease splashin a fan.
      Mr mathers is the man
      Yeah I’m pissed, but I would rather take this energy and stash it in a can,
      Come back and whip your ass with it again.
      Saliva’s like sulfuric acid in your hand, it’ll eat through anything, melt the ass off iron man,
      Turn him into plastic, so for you to think that you could stand a fuckin chance is assassin, yeah ask the nine man.” On Fire

      Yeah I see what you mean by his pen is slippin! LOLZ!!!!!! If you wanna call Focused, Clever, witty, & SIIIICK, Slippin…
      If XXLMag even considered repeating that BS you two just spouted they might as well halt the presses and close their doors! You guys really don’t get it! This hype has nothing to do with media and everything to do with the fact that, This album REALLY is one of those rare albums that doesn’t need media hype, but it’s getting it, cuz he TRULY does deserve it! But whatever lol! Keep it up guys, Shady’s album speaks for itself, and he’s MURDERING your credibility everytime you open your mouth! He’s so sick he’s got ambulances pullin him over and shit! LOL!!

  • Anonymous

    Over rated? Your out of your damn mind.How in the hell is he over rated when one of the best rappers ever says he is one of the best? I guess you missed that quote that Rakim said about Eminem and how good he is. I aint dick ridin shit, Im recognizing some of the best skills to ever touch a mic, and I have been listening to hip hop since it began.People need to start givin credit where its due.He is already a legend, and no other highly honored mc says differently.He earned his respect from his peers.So why the hate?

    • avenger xl

      A different opinion or perspective is not hate! Everyone has the right to love or hate whatever they want. I own all of EMs work and I really think EM is much better than the labels and the genre allow him to be but we will never know and that is just my opinion. I have felt the same way about many rappers but tell me this where is the love when other rappers create deep introspective albums? Like say brother ALi but he does not have the same media machine as EM and he has not raised a generation of kids on his music like EM. So it is almost easier to give a true critique of the passion to the christ in a down south fundamentalist truth than to give a differing veiw of this EM album right or wrong it is all opinion.

      • Slvrshot

        Are you seriously comparing Brother Ali to Eminem. He is in no way as complex, intricate, and lyrical as Eminem. Anyone can compare the two and see the difference is striking. Eminem is a lyricist and a song writer. Brother Ali is just another good lyricist and theres plenty of those.

      • Deshawna Powell

        Brother Ali talked about his wife tryin to kill him. A man talking about being the victim of aggression isn’t anything new. We got black men doing that for us everyday. But no one has ever had the guts to admit they struggle not give into their rage, and taken responsibility, expressed remorse, for being the perpetrator of aggression against weaker members of society..

        I hope it’s here to stay. You think we gonna hear them ngga’s that attacked that hoe Kat Stacks express remorse for what they did to her? And these ngga’s taped that shit, that’s acceptable its become in the Rap community. Perhaps the introduction of the other side will create a nice balance.

        This whole album is an introspective point of view we have yet to see in mainstream Rap.

  • http://www,bboycult.com $yk

    Well damn! Mofo’s are writing novels up in here (no DMX)!

  • Slvrshot

    @ Lacee

    I’m afraid I am going to have to disagree with you. I have followed Eminem since his beginnings on the Detroit scene with Infinite, I’ve heard him in battles including his defeat by Juice, when he really blew up with the SSLP and MMLP; when he touched political, social, and deeply personal issues in the Eminem show; at one his lowest points with Encore; and his experimentation/return from a long hiatus with Relapse. I have seen his ups and his downs, his “peaks and his valleys”. For anyone to say this guy isn’t up there with the best hip hop artist is insane. Those artists that you mentioned are good in there own regard. I’ve heard quite a bit of there music, especially when I was in my own little “underground” phase. But what makes Eminem so much different is that he is well “different”.

    Its kind of funny because here I am some l black kid, 14 at the time, listening to his MMLP back in 2000 relating to this white guy from Detroid. But you see, experiences transcend color, backgrounds, what hood you grew up in etc etc. That’s why Eminem is so different. We can go on for days about how witty, creative, and sick Eminem is on a mic. Nobody is going to deny he is one of the illest, even the best give him his props. And few would dare to lash out against him or diss him. Eminem is great because he can unwrap everything that we use to protect ourself: our fears, our doubts, the darkest places in our mind and paint these intricately detailed pictures.

    They say music can alter moods and talk to you but can it load a gun and cock it too?/

    That’s so deep ass shit. I’ve never heard anyone describe what I just quoted so eloquently, so succinct, and do it so effortlessly.

    Eminem doesn’t just write raps/rhymes/metaphors and stuff. He writes music/songs that people can relate too. When he raps I can see myself going through what he is going through. I can see his mom cursing him, going at it with his wife (loving her and hating her at the same time), trying to figure out where he fits in, raising his daughter, doing drugs, feeling helpless, lost etc etc.

    His imagery is striking and sharp. Its clear and concise yet multi-layered and complex. If you followed Eminem like I have you will see that over time he has just gotten better and better expressing himself.

    Don’t blame XXL or any other outlet for giving him his props. Don’t get all high and mighty because you know how to name drop a couple of past MCs. I can do it too: Big L, Big Pun, Rakim, Eric B, Scarface, etc etc. And funny you think they got erased by Eminem. I’m not even going to argue with that ignorant comment where you place Em, with Flo Rida and Soulja Boy. That already exemplifies your biased.

    KRS ONE, BDK and the like just got old and there were other artists that were either better or that where more relevant: funny you ignore 2pac, Biggie, Nas, JayZ, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Scarface, Bun B etc etc. Oh wait I guess mainstream rappers suck compared to underground rappers. Is that your line of thinking?

    Pharoah Monche is a better lyricist than Rick Ross but he isn’t even close to Eminem. In fact most of his stuff is so metaphorical, so abstract that the average listener would have a hard to discerning what the fuck he is saying. Let someone listen and compare “Simon says” to a song like “Toy Soldiers”. Monche could learn a thing or two about writing a song. Thats why Eminem is so great. He is about as lyrical as they come but he knows how to write songs. Theres a reason why no one cared about Jo Blow (who was just as good as writing songs) as opposed to someone like Marvin Gaye.

    On to the WuTang thing. I bet Eminem would destroy every member in the Wu and I’m one of their biggest fans. In fact I know if Eminem wanted to he could fit right in with their group. Eminem studied just about all the best MCs. He can sound like anybody.

    It’s hard to compare a solo album like Recovery to a group effort like 36 Chambers. Both in my opinion are classics in their own right. I can however relate more to Recovery as there is more focus through one person not several. Anyway thats the end of my rant.

    I’m still sticking with my original thought after listening to this album in full over 10 time at home and while driving. Its classic and its better than the MMLP and the TES.

    Recovery> The Eminem Show> MMLP > SSLP > Relapse > Encore

    • avenger xl

      Save the novel for a subject matter that is more meaningful. Em has his hardcore stans ready to crown him king of all rap and there will be no others after him (especially urban artists). He has truely transcended to elvis status beyound criticism of any kind. Sorry I didn’t mean to say anything to tarnish your heros rep oh yeah. GTFOH with that talk about brother ali just being another good lyricist that is just your opinion man and EM is able to reach more because he has a larger pulpit, I hope EM does great as he can do without trying because it is good for the game but I am here to tell you no black artist or artist of color of any kind can possibly see this kind of love for maybe a couple of more decades unless they are killed of course.

      • jonny bizness

        totally co sign what avenger is saying with the elvis thing and b4 you say it i ain’t no racist but majority of muthafuckers on here must think that rap started in 99 when he dropped his debut anyone that has been listening to rap from the public enemy era would never say he is top 5 d.o.a

        • Truth

          Can’t believe you even went to the Elvis comparison. What is wrong with crowning Eminem the best? Because he is a white dude? Lol I’m black and have followed hip hop for a long time. I’ve heard many artist mainstream and underground, from way back when to current. Eminem is a whole nother beast. Unlike anyone before him. I don’t look at his skin color, his mic skills speak for themself.

      • Truth

        You’re just a a stan for Brother Ali. I’ve heard his stuff. He’s not that special. Ton of rappers better than him. Hell even Drake is better, and I can’t stand him. Lil Wayne gets a ton of love now and probably get even more if he just dedicated himself to perfecting his craft. Right now he does a lot of BSing about bullshit stuff. Wayne just needs more depth to his content. He already has the charisma. Hell the dude was on TV getting interviewed by Katie Kouric.

        • avenger xl

          WHAT Drake is doper than brother Ali really? Dude you must have been born in the 90′s because that is not even close to real. Brother Ali production is his greatest handicap it is not pop ready the beats are muddy and his voice can be whiney but so can Ems and freeway so Ali needs new production and the same material. Wayne can’t perfect his craft if he doesn’t care about it which he stated in URB magazine in 08.

          P.S. I only bring up Brother Ali because these bullshit sites let d bags go on for days about big budget star babies like Em,Wayne,Drake etc… but barely touch any indie dope and act like these hyper publicized pop rappers invented many things that happen in the underground everyday. The only thing that separates these acts is exposure and production most of the time. So this is not a Stan situation it is a listen to something besides what your robot masters tell you too thing.

          peace stanely

        • Truth

          I was born in 86, you lazy bitch.

      • Anthony Jesen

        First of All, A his Stan’s didn’t crown him the King of Hip Hop. Billboard and Nielsen SoundScan have spoken! For the next 10 year they will continue to referr to him as “The Hip Hop King” he earned it! And there is NOTHING you can do about it, nor can his Stans!

        2nd You really are blind dude! REALLY REALLY you are! EM is the one who doesn’t get the love in this community! And I can prove that shit! You can’t! Check out the 5th video in the series from MTV on the Greatest MC’s. Watch what happens when one of these idiots suggests putting Eminem in the top 5! THEY ALL LAUGH! Then read the comment from LillianGish!

        http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/81706/the-underground-fights-back.jhtml#name=news&id=1528441

        No one in the Rap community puts him at Elvis status, HE’s STILL LAUGHED AT TODAY, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE’S WHITE! And that video proves that shit! So don’t come on here acting like his Elvis like praise, is being artificially elevated or propped up! No one in this community will EVER recognize his contribution to this communities expansion, and it’s acceptance in the mainstream, NOR his level of skills, unless his stans force them to. Lillian is correct NO ONE in this game as mastered as many aspects of this art as Eminem. And no other Rapper has had to overcome as many obstacles as Em to get to the level of success that he has! No Black Rapper has EVER been forced to display the level of skill Em has just to be accepted and taken seriously in this industry. The white guys in this game, are held to higher level of standards and have to constantly reach moving goal posts just to be taken seriously! Shady has surpassed them all, yet still when the Rap community discusses and decides the top 5 MC’s he’s always left off. The top 10, he’s always at the bottom!

        So what you all are saying is BULLSHIT!! And what LillianGish says in her comment on MTV is True! The rap community better recognize and take a lesson from American sports!

        If his stans have finally had enough, and decided to get loud, about giving him the recognition he deserves, by elevating him to Elvis levels. THEN IT’s ABOUT GOD DAMN TIME!! AND I JOIN THEM!

        Man for real every time you type on here your blindness simply amazes me!

  • slay

    im not sure bout rating it XXL but the album is fire. All the tracks.

  • nappyafroreader

    Ya’ll swaggerjacking nappyafro now?

    I’m telling!

  • hater

    ^^^^^^
    “I am here to tell you no black artist or artist of color of any kind can possibly see this kind of love for maybe a couple of more decades unless they are killed of course.”

    *Jay -Z says hello……

    got off the black shit, its 2010

    • avenger xl

      Get off the dumb shit Jay-Z doesn’t even get this level of love or defense. He is a solid crossover artist and one of the few doing big numbers but if you missed the point I am saying above then you missed it. We are not post racial just because it is 2010. Em is uber skilled so race is by no means the only reason he gets love but it plays a huge role in his popularity for a positive in this account. He became the legitamcy character for many white rappers post beastie boys and he represented his home town acid rap sound created by esham which of course plays hand in hand with the wicked ish(aka horrorcore/pshysco rap/whatthefuckever title it may have now) that many white kids relate to more than black kids. Em is the perfect crossover artist he is lyrically ill enough and he came is the game with a street cosign in the form of Dre. At the time if Dre. Now I am not going into some theortical shit but we as humans have been conditioned to think in terms of race in the u.s. even though the word race is a lie. There is only one race human, we come from different ethnic groups and each group has groups within them that customs and language that go with them. I think Em speaks something to a group in the white community while steal managing to converse with enough of the black community to get love there too. Not to mention he is just talented as hell but of course there are a lot of talent white rappers that can’t do the same. He called it he did the elvis well. I bet many kids that listen to more rock than rap listens to EM and guess what they are white he speaks to a larger demographic even though it is not even close to the whole white market.

      Now take anygiven black artist even Jay-z. Jay will get love in most of the black community and by causal pop fans and hardcore heads in the the white community but they will not feel connected enough to come and defend Jay at every turn. I remember when that last album was released and folks were talking down on Jay 24 7 without a sign of the novels written in defense of EM. Hell they even said the man is illumanti come the fuck on. Jay still did his numbers because he is a perfered pop brand now but watch what EM does in comparison probably black eye peas numbers and the only reason they do these numbers is because they make face less dance music you just happen to know who they are but would you care if you didn’t? So race don’t matter to the black eye peas because they are robots in the truest form a step away from being cartoons (no guerillas).

      • Truth

        Eminem is more skilled than Jay-Z.

        • Avenger XL

          This is true and they are also different types of rappers.

        • AVENGER XL

          I think so too but it more than their skill that gets them the position they are in now and that is the point.

  • Lacee

    I just love how everyone feeds into my comments without even realizing it. Of course I’m on an underground mentality because everyone is underground compare to Eminem. He has at times been as silly as icp and skated that very fine line of becoming a joke artist. His loyal fans do him justice, but he has sold his ass several times, at times its hard to consider his stuff hip hop, and his pen game has slipped and never was as great as its been portrayed. He smashed Benzino in a rap battle, but he never went face to face with a real competitor like Nas did going up against Jay Z. Then he did his Toy Soldier bailout. He’s the best commercial lyricists and for that hes known as the best lyricists. I mean hell I’m not even an El-P fan but listen to his diss Linda Tripp and compare that to his Benzino battles, listen to El-Ps catalogue from Company Flow days till now, then listen to Em rap about his peepee wants hilary duffs bum and raping of the rhyme scheme ee and ack, and El-P is just one of many that is a decade beyond Ems game. I’ve conceded that my view counts because I know I’m in the minority and thats how everything works, the majority becomes the accepted norm. Its like JLO being synonymous with a big ass when there are tons of stars out there with bigger and nicer asses, shes just the most known. No harsh words for Eminem personally, he writes good stuff and I think does have heart for some tracks, but Eminems fans almost hinder his career by putting a paper crown on his head.

    • Slvrshot

      Can you show how he rapes the rhyme scheme ack and eee?

    • I agree sort of

      @ Lacy about the synonymous thing. Kinda like all that that Em gets about being white when their are up and comming white rappers that are better than half the mainsream rappers in the game. I’m not white either btw I’m Native American. Just being Honest dudes like Yelawolf, and Machine Gun Kelly are kllin it but Eminem is the only one recieving all the hate and you can take all that(not you lacy) he only does those numbers because he is white because those two guys I just mentioned are incredible but get overshadowed by Eminem. This album though,(this is the part where I dont like you) is well deserving of a XXL. This mag is trying to sell Mags not cater to a select FEW.(Emphasis Few). Might I add that my favorite MC is Joell Ortiz.

      • Slvrshot

        Machine Gun Kelly sound like a poor mans Lil Wyte.

        and your boy Yelawolf he real good but he sounds like guys I’ve already heard. If Twista and Cee Lo had sex and had a white baby he’d be it.

    • Slvrshot

      Eminem was on Jay Zs original Blueprint and absolutely destroyed him on his own album, no wonder there hasn’t been another collabo.

      Eminem can do everything Nas can, with even more charisma and creativity.

      Eminem murdered Canibus.

      You’re just a hater.

      • avenger xl

        I guess you are a hater when it comes to other rappers beside EM. No one can appreciate anyone above EM unless they are a hater. Like I said go work for faux news or something if you don’t like differing opinions because this is all thats happening here. Now if a ass jumps on here and say EM ain’t dope or lyrical they just don’t know rap and that is even just my opinion but closer to fact than anything you are pushing.

    • Anthony Jesen

      Wait are you kidding me. Toward the bottom I saw a few people saying you made good points and are truer fan. So I came back up here to see what they are talking about. But No way the other guy is right, the XXL side won this debate hands down, just cause you tried pulling some slimy. You are tryin to use tracks that aren’t equals to compare them! how the hell is that fair! Your comparing Benzino battles & El-p catalougue to a few of Em’s radio tracks! You didn’t make ANY VALID points at all!! You artificially stacked the deck against him by using his weaker stuff to compare! You OBVIOUSLY don’t SHIT about SHADY! And I mean NOTHING! Have you heard his underground stuff from Infinite? Have you listened to his freestyles? His Diss tracks? HE’D MURDER EL-P, NAS, AND BENZINO! And They know it! Now You are talking like a CRAZY Person! That’s not even opinion That’s a FACT!! The lyrics are there!! You better do a little more research on Em’s work before you come here talking that shit, cuz I’ll go get verses from TRUE comparable tracks and show you!! You are HAVE NO CLUE what your talking about!

  • hater

    So does Tiger get all the press bc he is black or because he is the best at what he does?

    • AVENGER XL

      Tiger gets the media attention because he is a black golfer performing highly in a sport that was steel exculding blacks at many country clubs as of the 90′s. He became a novelty and he opened the idea to golf to a whole audience that never even thought about it before him. Had he been just another great white golfer he wouldn’t have the same level of exposure he has today. See how race is trained in society this is exactly like the EM situation except hip-hop doesn’t ban anyone not even wack people see soulja boy. A white golfer probably wouldn’t have inner city kids reaching for golf clubs or even permit this little chat. Race is just another social construct that we have bought into and it effects the way we think about ourselves and others.

      • Avenger XL

        Pardon the typos folks I am just responding while at work and I do not care enough to proof read this shit.

        Tiger gets the media attention because he is a black golfer performing highly in a sport that was still exculding blacks at many country clubs as of the 90’s. He became a novelty and he opened the idea to golf to a whole audience that never even thought about it before him. Had he been just another great white golfer he wouldn’t have the same level of exposure he has today. See how race is trained in society this is exactly like the EM situation except hip-hop doesn’t ban anyone not even wack people see soulja boy. A white golfer probably wouldn’t have inner city kids reaching for golf clubs or even permit this little chat. Race is just another social construct that we have bought into and it effects the way we think about ourselves and others.

      • Avenger XL

        pardon my typos and mispellings. I am just responding at work and don’t give a damn about proofing this shit.

        Tiger gets the media attention because he is a black golfer performing highly in a sport that was still exculding blacks at many country clubs as of the 90’s. He became a novelty and he opened the idea of golf to a whole audience that never even thought about it before him. Had he been just another great white golfer he wouldn’t have the same level of exposure he has today. See how race is trained in society this is exactly like the EM situation except hip-hop doesn’t ban anyone not even wack people see soulja boy. A white golfer probably wouldn’t have inner city kids reaching for golf clubs or even permit this little chat. Race is just another social construct that we have bought into and it effects the way we think about ourselves and others.

  • Codes

    I like this album, review, and the fact that honest opinions arent blocked like some hip hop mag sites(Rap-Up.com).

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    em fans are really intimate . this is kinda homo. is he really that good?

  • Lacee

    Em has die hard fans like Marilyn Manson, I almost give them credit for backing him blindly. I have given in and listened to all his work countless times for their sake and to always remain open minded, and have even swayed that he’s a nice mc, but I’m sorry I think he became a pop star and that notoriety has taken him into this grand stage of being the best rap artist, its not true hip hop heads voting on this, its 80% pop fans blended in with 20% hip hop heads giving him this bias landslide. I don’t have room to post his countless tracks Silvershot but if you want to leave me your email I could prove to you the simplicity of his rhymes and over usage of the ee rhyme scheme, this is just from the latest track posted on XXL of his “I’m not afraid” I just clicked and started writing down when I heard the ees cause I knew they’d be there. He has a hard job catering to the mindless pop fans and the true lyricist fans he had coming up, and I think that has hurt him a lot as well. He’ll go into beast mode for one or two tracks and then I’ll hear ten more that are honestly close to garbage or just ridiculous. If he gets a XXL good for him and his fans, I’m just asking people to really listen to this album and his overall work, and ESPECIALLY please listen to work not stuffed in your eardrums just because its accepted as hot from the minute its put out.

    What you think, I’m doing this for me, so fuck the world
    Feed it beans, it’s gassed up, if a thing’s stopping me
    I’mma be, what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly
    And all those who look down on me, I’m tearing down your balcony
    No if ands or buts don’t try to ask him why or how can he,
    From Infinite down to the last Relapse album he’s still sh*t and
    Whether he’s on salary, paid hourly, until he, bows out or he

    • Truth

      @ Lacee

      I don’t think she understands the sacrifices that I made
      Maybe if this bitch had acted right I wouldve stayed
      But I’ve already wasted over half of my life I wouldve laid
      Down and died for you I no longer cry for you
      No more pain bitch you
      Took me for granted took my heart and ran it straight into the planet
      Into the dirt I can no longer stand it
      Now my respect I demand it
      Imma take control of this relationship
      Command it, and imma be the boss of you now goddamnit
      And what I mean is that I will no longer let you control me
      So you better hear me out this much you owe me
      I gave up my life for you, totally devoted to you while I’ve stayed
      Faithful all the way this is how I fucking get repaid
      Look at how I dress fucking baggy sweats, go to work a mess
      Always in a rush to get back to you I aint heard you yet
      Not even once say you apreciate me I deserve respect
      I’ve done my best to give you nothing less than perfectness
      And I know that if I end this I’ll no longer have nothing left
      But you keep treating me like a staircase it’s time to fucking step
      And I wont be coming back so don’t hold your fucking breath
      You know what youve done no need to go in depth
      I told you, you’d be sorry if I fucking left
      I’d laugh while you wept
      Hows it feel now, yeah, funny aint it, you neglected me
      Did me a favor and now my spirit free youve set
      But a special place for you in my heart I have kept
      It’s unfortunate but its,

      Dude isn’t just rhyming words he is rhyming sounds using consonance and assonance to not just rap to a beat but to be one with the beat. This is why his flow is so sick. Every line is laced with imagery.

      • Anthony Jensen

        EXACTLY! Truth!! Thank you! And I can’t think of anyone using consonance and assonance better! He is SO sick at rhyming!

    • Lilly Russell

      I can throw out just as much impressive knowledge about the history of this Genre, as well as general musical history, as my father is a composer and music is our life. But doesn’t change the fact that yours as well as those below who agreed with this post, have some serious flaws in your thinking and assertions.

      You state: “He’ll go into beast mode for one or two tracks and then I’ll hear ten more that are honestly close to garbage or just ridiculous.”

      Really?? Name ten tracks on this album where he doesn’t display, significant lyrical agility, or skillful story telling ability??

      You can’t and you won’t cuz know it’s fabulous!

      I hate saying this but perhaps, you and some of these commenter’s below, are the type of Underground Rap SNOBS that are constantly trying to keep this genre from moving forward. You really don’t get it. You’re using a song meant for radio to prove he’s not a great lyricists and a sell out? Seriously, that’s completely ridiculous, & IT WILL backfire on you! Have you ever asked yourself why he includes tracks with simple rhyming scheme’s on his album, as well as those with some of the most complex rhyming schemes ever?? That’s called Radio airplay and it sells albums, as unfortunately radio is still the largest medium through which the majority of people learn about new music! Beastly, raps with complex rhyme schemes don’t get airplay, and therefore people who’s whole albums are nothing but that, are barely known! Now think about this, is this really selling out to his label and pop by including these tracks? Um your crazy if you think it is. The more albums he sells, the more Shady Records/ Aftermath can grow, and support new Artists like Slaughter House. That’s not selling out babe, that’s called SUPPORTING THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY! Not only that Em has introduced his fans to countless other artist’s in community, that they never would have known of pirior to his arrival on the scene.. Done..

      Ever asked yourself why so many fans from so many other genres are Eminem fans? Because he’s a brilliant lyricist, and a brilliant story teller that speaks directly at them, rather than preaching at them! His stories speak on subjects everyone can relate to. Not everyone lives in the ghetto! And most people that do can still relate to Eminem’s content! Nas is genius also, but I have to put Em above him, because half of Nas’s body of work is so damn abstract that people today still can’t understand what the hell he’s was talking about. If no one can understand it, then your message/ plot is lost, and you might as well not have wasted your time spitting it!

      For every single one of Em’s simple rhymes you attempt to throw out as proof that he’s not that great of Lyricists. I GUARANTEE you, his Stans will toss lyrics his own back at you, that not only proves he’s EXCELLENT, but also proves he better than 99% of the rest! Go read all 946 lyrics, and the examine the scheme in Stay wide awake, go read the lyrics in the Bonus track on this album, and On fire, GTC. Hailie’s Revenge etc..

      • Lily Russell

        But your right about one thing, we could go back and forth tossing lyrics forever. Because when you try to compare artists that are so close in talent, then beauty is opinion. It’s like trying to compare “Great Expectations” & “the Adventures of Alice in Wonderland” which Author is better?

        So here’s a question for you. Of the Rappers you feel is better than Em, list 5 aspects of their literary technique their skillful in? NONE of the Artists you listed are as skillful in as many lyrical techniques as Em. For example here are just a few of the lyrical techniques a long list of noteable Rap Artist’s praised Em for in Paul Edwards book. – his varied and humorous subject matter, connecting with his audience, carrying a concept over a series of albums, complex rhyme schemes (likely the most complex of any artist), Metathesis and Rhetorical metathesis (his ability to bend words and restructure sentences so that they rhyme and flow eloquently), his use of multi-syllabic rhymes, fitting many rhymes in each bar, And he also as we all know praised not just for being clever at wordplay, but for having such a broad range of wordplay ability, (using metaphors, puns, similes, spoonerisms, blending & obscuring words and meanings, clever rhetorical excursions, crafting coherent oddly formed sentences)

        How many Rap Artists can you even find that many aspects in their literary technique, much less say they are skillful at ALL of them? NONE, Natta, Zip, ZEEEERO! There’s no Rap Artist as skillful in as many lyrical techniques as Em. And we all know why Em HAD to become that skillful, to make it in this game, so don’t front!

      • Anonymous

        Now add to all of that, his broad range of flows, his ability to flow threw complex rhythms, (and btw, he’s flowing through a Blues Rock track composed in 6/8 TIME, on Won’t Back Down! Jay-z tried it and he went so fast he ran right over the beat!) His use of syncopation, and maintaining clear enunciation. Well now people understand why Em fans can say Best Rapper Alive, with 100 percent confidence!! They can back that shit up!

      • Anonymous

        Now add to all of that his broad range of flows, his ability to flow through complex rhythms (btw he’s flowing to a beat composed in 6/8 TIME on Won’t Back Down!) his use of syncopation, and while maintaining clear enunciation. And now you understand why Eminems fans can say with 100 percent confidence he’s the best there is!

  • satin sheet spyz

    lacee girl doing her thing, i like that. im glad you are finally coming to terms with eminem being in the top 3 if not number 1. he is lacee you have to come to terms with this. are all your statements true…yes. :) ive dissected his lyrics and skill and he is not the second coming he did cross over to pop fans but that is what life is. i dont know the extent of your music knowledge but im sure youve heard of the doors and greats like that? bright eyes lead singer conor oberst has written dozens of more complex songs and will never be considered to their legendary status, for some reason or another they didnt have “it”. you are right about his balancing act, he was a good looking guy doing silly songs, he could have easily become a joke in the industry i think he chose his rap battles wisely to avoid that and bullied those he could shine off of which you have to credit him for. he has a lot of emotion and “it” power like tupac and you have to factor that in, want me to describe it, i cant nobody can its just something they had. he invites a grander audience to what hes putting out and that trumps all your underground artists lacee. i know the points you are making and i agree with them, i agree with almost everything you are saying truly, but its not a good enough argument to deny eminem his status in the game, he is really good for a genre hurting lately in sales. i hate to go the wrestling route but when wwe had numbers slipping stone cold was great for the sport, was he the best technical wrestler of course not, neither was hogan, they just had “it” over the others and the reason the companies pushed them is because they saw that. and they put all the money and advertisement on them when dean malenko will never be heard of, because he just never had “it” people weren’t feeling it. i hope this helps some lacee. eminem is top 3 but to brighten up your day part of the charm of the great mcs youve listed is that you and others do know of them and know they are hidden gems and that will always be known by some. please dont hate on em hes had a grand journey and has matured along the way and i think this album is decent enough to look past a few bad songs and rate with other greats.

  • Countdown 123

    Hate to quickly mute your point mate but Dean Malenko was honored several times in magazines with the #1 ranking in wrestling. I think Lacee is making that point, granted Hogan and Stonecold are discussed as the greats, but I reckon she wants a magazine recognizing the true strengths of musician and album rather than one catering to close kin and fan numbers. I fancy this would be a great discussion to end turmoil and friction. For any rasslin’ fans out there, what mcs would you place in their spots? Heres some possible picks.

    Snoop – RVD
    Eminem – Stonecold
    Jay Z – Million Dollar Man
    Cam’Ron – Ric Flair
    Big Daddy Kane – Undertaker
    Soulja Boy – Sharkboy
    50 Cent – Lex Luger
    Eazy E – Owen Hart
    MF Doom – Vader
    Jean Grae – Molly Holly
    Tupac – Macho Man
    Biggie – Triple H

    • Lilly Russell

      LOL at you two!! Guess Lily just smack that fantasy of him not being technically better right out of your heads! And if that didn’t ya better check them lyrics below!

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    lacee was on point. likewise, i felt it inside that i was a hater. So, i listened to some old em and then just read some of his lyrics. I’mma be honest. Dude is overrated, and as i’ve been saying for years his subject matter content and just obvious sell out shock view makes him loose lyical points. F the wwf comparison. 1. look at nas and jayz debut albums and first singles. They are way more lyrical. Nas changed the game with illmatic. Jayz. Jayz has just as good of flow word play and lyrics BUT jay has double enterndres that half of you prob won’t get till five years later. I see few lines from em, BUT he does take so many songs off. Despite the facts, his fans will support him just because…

    • P

      ……overated? your opinion but i think you made this opinion because you relate more to what Nas and Jay say compared to Em, which is understandable but you can’t take away the fact that lyrically no one can touch Em…sorry, when Nas, Jay and numerous other rappers refer to Em the way they do it clearly means one thing….these artist dont consider Em overrated, quite the opposite so how can you as a listener not a perfectionist of the craft make that comment…its really lame…to each there own but if i relate more to em and dont really feel jay or nas im not gonna refer to them as overrated, im gonna give respect bc im a hip hop head and i know what im talking bout.

    • Anonymous

      @ff1one@yahoo.com
      Good you obviously missed some of his most lyical shit then, actually listen to these songs and I bet come back with a different take on it.
      Till I collapse
      Quitter
      Bully
      The Sauce
      Dead wrong with big
      Stimulate
      Words are weapons
      Wide Awake
      Dont Approach me off of Xzibits album
      Cleanin out my closet

  • P

    I have a feeling that after they release the album, they’re going to re-release it with that “rumored” double disc tracklisting, it would definately be a smart move by the record label to snatch more record sales and lure more interest…..after hearing the full album im simply impressed beyond words….this is the Em alot of us have been waiting for, he’s finally shown growth as an artist an not scared to change things up, you cant deny his lyrical abilities….This is Eminems stillmatic.

  • Deirin Darren

    Wow, these are smart arguments that never went into stupidity or negativity. I have to oppose you Lacee and say Eminem is top 10, and this album is at least a B to B+, but I agree with you that most of his fans are a bit delusional on his lyrics and beats, I think even those who argued against you are now doing research and realizing most of what you are preaching is very truthful, he’s a hell of an “artist” though.

    (Don’t get Lacee confused with the others loosely blended on her side, just her words alone in the discussion make a lot of sense.)

  • Deirin Darren (Not On Em)

    To Countdown, Cam’Ron really is Ric Flair isn’t he? People love him and if the hate him they love to hate him. I think Cam’ron sandbags for lack of care, and finds too much as jokes sometimes, and could bring out a classic album if he focused a little more. I was just listening to that track the other day and read these comments on “it” factor. Cam’ron has “it” like crazy. He has the swag and lyrics, very business oriented and has brought up a lot of artists, created his own style and beats. I think Dash hurt him in the sense that if he stuck with Jay Z all these years he would be a legitimate top 10 artist. Right now I’d have him at 11 or 12 regardless. If he had some Jay Z money and video exposure this man appeals to the popular masses and keeps in the street literally for true fans. Granted Jay Z and Nas didn’t put much effort in replies back, and 50 Cent continually gets beat lyrically in any diss battle he goes against cept maybe Ross, but Cam’ron technically has battled the premier rap artists in the game and won. He has the humor of Em, the ferociousness of Tupac, and the lyrics of Biggie all wrapped up in one. I really hope he gets his act together and brings forth another great album sometime in the future to get in where he deserves.

  • Isay

    Post some lyrics if you don’t think Em is better.

  • s. Bejda

    i cosign those cam comments 1000000x

  • Idosay

    some lyrics

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    co sign the cam comment to the fullest. cam does more than sandbag. he still in the game n still is relevant. I just heard some tom foolery. em better lyrically than jay and nas??? r u on meth or poppin pills with ur boy? i challenge u to you tube nas the world is yours jayz cant knock the hustle em slim shady then google the lyrics,

    ya, boy has great cadence and incredible rhyme scheme i think he is also a great social commentary for pop culture similar to a redman. But redman can eat em too.

    as for our favorite rappers giving him props. they do it so it doesn’t hurt their sales or fan base. similar too when ghost tried to beef with big but after his death they changed up

  • Lacee

    Wow, I didn’t think I’d have anyone say anything positive in my direction, thanks for words of wisdom even if opposing and for those who understood my argument. I won’t say baa and march along, but I will agree I wasn’t adding all the factors for his success, I overlooked factors I personally don’t think makes a top five hip hop artist. Given sales, and this “it” factor, and some other points made, I would say I might have been harsh on his entry to a top spot. After listening last night and this morn, I still don’t think this is a phenomenal record though. I admit I’m stuck in a decade and lost touch with whats hot these days, you have to understand when I really engulfed myself in hip hop the top ten countdown would have like Erule – Listen Up at number 10, you had to be incredible just to make it back then. Its different fans and culture now, and I am in the minority, and I will let Eminem have his spot without complaint because maybe I’m too old school and bias to judge, but Eminem is highly overrated by his fans, and its mostly by people not doing their hip hop homework and just driven by a media mind frame.

    • Battle Ready

      @ Lacee

      He’s not overrated if the best MCs continually say he is one of the best ever or if you have studiously listened to past decades of hip hop.Every fan always overrates who they like. Maybe you do yourself an injustice by overrating your own listening experiences/decade etc. I’m still waiting on you to point to lyrics that are miles above anything Em’ says.

  • impressed fan

    first time ive been floored by the intelligence and history of a commenter – xxl hire this girl lacee

    deirin, bejda, and FF1, I really hate to ruin my rep and id love to disagree but i cosign those cam comments as well lol

  • Anonymous

    @Avenger and Lacee,

    First of All, A – his Stan’s didn’t crown him the King of Hip Hop. Billboard and Nielsen SoundScan DID! For the next 10 year they will continue to refer to him as “The Hip Hop King” HE EARNED IT! And there is NOTHING you can do about it, nor can his Stans!

    2nd You really are blind! REALLY REALLY you are! EMINEM is the one who doesn’t get the love in this community! AND I CAN PROVE THAT SHIT! YOU CAN’T! Check out the 5th video in the series from MTV on the Greatest MC’s, on their website! Watch what happens when one of these idiots suggests putting Eminem in the top 5! THEY ALL FUKING LAUGH, BECAUSE HE’S WHITE! Then read the comment from LillianGish!

    Just Google MTV Greatest MC’s Video! Guess who is #1, Mr. Jay-z will never get this amount of Love, avenger?? None other than Jay-z!!! Now guess who is ranked FUKING #9! EMINEM That’s right #9 you dope!!!

    NO ONE, NO ONE in the Rap community puts him at Elvis status, HE’s STILL LAUGHED AT TODAY, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE’S WHITE! AND THAT VIDEO PROVES THAT SHIT! So don’t come on here acting like his Elvis like praise, is being artificially elevated or propped up by the media! No one in this community will EVER recognize his contribution to this communities’ expansion, and it’s acceptance in the mainstream, NOR his level of skills, unless his Stans force them to. Lillian is correct NO ONE in this game as mastered as many aspects of this Art as Eminem. And NO other Rapper has had to overcome as many obstacles as Em to get to the level of success that he has! No Black Rapper has EVER been forced to display the level of skill Em has, just to be accepted and taken seriously in this industry!! The white guys in this game, are held to higher level of standards and have to constantly reach moving goal posts just to be taken seriously! Shady has surpassed them all, yet still when the Rap community discusses and decides the top 5 MC’s, he’s always left off!! The top 10, he’s always at the bottom!!!

    So what you all are saying is BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! And it’s time it STOPS right now! And what LillianGish says on that MTV page is True! The rap community better recognize and take a lesson from American sports!

    If his stans have finally had enough, and decided to get loud, about giving him the recognition he deserves, by elevating him to Elvis levels. THEN IT’s ABOUT GOD DAMN TIME!! AND I JOIN THEM!

    Man for real every time you type on here your blindness simply amazes me!

  • Lurigancho

    muy listo! i dont agree with lacee on all points but id never question this girls credibility or love for hip hop i think she has more vetted respect and interest than anyone ive ever seen post on here. i like the album but i think its been discussed to death im more interested in that cam comment

    why you acting like its a bad thing to agree with what deirin said? you forgot to add that himself included and the artists he puts out have given so much love to the streets with mixtapes, they give out solid mixtapes for free on the regular. and what about cams fashion game, i would put him king. he has a more subtle comedy like in Oh Boy when that girl says found it and comes from under his steering wheel with lipstick the man is f’n hilarious. he can be genius when he wants but sandbags big time when he gets lazy but the man is amusing as hell and did a great job in paid in full. i do agree his earlier efforts were more solid and i as well hope he puts out a classic next time around.

    • Anthony Jensen

      Umm Really she has?? Are really reading the responses to her? LOL! From what I’ve read She’s not said one thing that hasn’t been displayed to show serious flaws in her thinking! So explain where her credibility came from??? What exactly did she say?? Everything she said has been shot down!

  • s. Bejda

    i never acted like it was a bad thing to like cam, i cosigned the positive points he made and cam himself sleeps on himself he doesnt take this stuff too seriously.

    i dont take these arguments too seriously but i cosign with the majority that whether i agree or not lacee has made the strongest points for her case and has won her point in a landslide. the people aiding her are just hurting her by making it seem like they have the same point and the people replying arent reading or looking into the points shes making when she is putting effort into theirs, and then agreeing with some of their stuff, and they still are all emotional trying to battle her blindly to climb up ems ass lol

  • Slvrshot

    @ Lacee

    Your dude E Rule just rhymes words he pulls out of the dictionary, and throws in these abstract metaphors. Great rapper, but sounds more like an English teacher spittin. Reminds me of a softer Canibus.

    [E-Rule]
    Listen up, check it, E-Rule’s about to wreck it
    ?? ?? in more reverse I got the works when I freak it
    Disarm unique wits ?? seek it
    Diapharetic in the energetic
    more than motion draws up kinetic, bein combined with the vibe
    Not a man’ll transcribe, though they tried
    I jot down ?? indeed I rock the whole jam
    Chumps know the program, identical to no man
    When I get busy who is he – my formula rhymes
    in parallel lines in perfect, mics to short circuit
    Hark, it’s worth it – I’m on the brink of blowin up, y’all

    Oh Please check this:

    These ideas are nightmares to white parents
    Whose worst fear is a child with dyed hair and who likes earrings
    Like whatever they say has no bearing, it’s so scary in a house that allows
    no swearing
    To see him walking around with his headphones blaring
    Alone in his own zone, cold and he don’t care
    He’s a problem child
    And what bothers him all comes out, when he talks about
    His fuckin’ dad walkin’ out
    Cause he just hates him so bad that he blocks him out
    If he ever saw him again he’d probably knock him out
    His thoughts are whacked, he’s mad so he’s talkin’ back
    Talkin’ black, brainwashed from rock and rap
    He sags his pants, do-rags and a stocking cap

    Look, the difference is striking. WTF is a Diaphretic in the energetic kinetic?

    Eminem rhymes sounds and paints a picture. Your dude just rhymes dictionary words. I can do the same thing.

    Step into the intergalatical, rhyme looking pratical, attack ya like a dracula and smack your phat ass with a spatula….lame shit.

  • Countdown 123

    Trollers < Lacee

    • Slvrshot

      Perhaps you can explain what a Diaphretic in the energetic kinetic is Countdown?

      Wait hold up I’m a look it up.

      Wait E-rule is saying he is sweating profusely because he has so much energy and is in motion due to extra energy he is being provided from his resting potential state.

      Gotcha.

  • Sing for the Moment

    RECOVƎRY is XXL, but then again so is Lacee for this thred!

  • Countdown 123 ITS OVER

    hahaha im sorry for Lacee now these people are acting like every day words is raping a dictionary, dont dare listen to aesop rock then lol she never even said erule was her man!! and you just had to look him up to prove her massive point lol she said that was the top ten joint so you had to have some flow ability and rhymes just to…oh forget it this is hopeless and getting ridiculous. people are flustered by this girls points and aren’t even making valid replies anymore they see her well written post as “diss eminem” and just go off lol

    • Truth

      I’m sorry but I’ve listened to quite a bit of Aesop Rock and he is wack as fuck. Another I must pull words from a dictionary and force them into bars to rhyme them with words that make no sense.

    • Anonymous

      Actually their making allot more sense than she is! At least they aren’t saying that by creating Radio friendly jams he’s selling out to pop! That was her! and lily just just torpedoed every single point she made!

      “Now think about this, is this really selling out to his label and pop by including these tracks? Um your crazy if you think it is. The more albums he sells, the more Shady Records/ Aftermath can grow, and support new Artists like Slaughter House. That’s not selling out babe, that’s called SUPPORTING THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY!”

      Exactly what the heck is the underground doing to support the community! Resting on their laurels and morals!

      Hell Yeah Slaughter House is awesome, & Recovery Definitely best get the XXL!! So BUY Recovery June 22nd and support Hip Hop!!! T.I. & Kanye’s too!!

  • Slvrshot Is A Hypocrite

    Eminem is one of the wordiest rhyme spitters oh wait someone has more clever lyrics, than Eminem is more accessible and those other guys are too nerdy and smart.

    keep up your defense silver shot and youll be pushing sheek louch as the greatest of all time soon. 8)

    • Slvrshot

      Say what? It has nothing to do with acessibility and more with making sense. You can’t just pull big words out the dictionary and combine them into rhymes that don’t make sense.

      Keep getting your ass kicked….

    • Lilly Russell

      Dude what are you smoking? That wasn’t more clever than Eminem! It doesn’t even make sense, that his point. There tryin to be so creative that their lost, and that isn’t a good lyricists, it’s just crap! If no one can understand what you said, then your message/ plot is lost, and you might as well not have wasted your time spitting it!

  • satin sheet spyz

    lets not get hateful on such a mature discussion so far, please. lacee stayed positive and made excellent key points and got mixed with the other posters for putting words in her mouth

    i disagreed with lacee and she looked into my points and agreed with some and disagreed with others, but you cant knock this girls debates, she is clearly a truer fan of the art and if you had to declare a winner she took all rounds.

    hip hop needs eminem lacee but it also really needs you as a fan so keep listening and i enjoyed to back and forth but i got to split if this gets childish.

    • Slvrshot

      I agree with that remark. I just feel like Lacee believes she’s on some sort of high horse because she believes/assumes she has heard more hip-hop and has been around longer to understand the game. All I ask is she prove that another artist is iller. Link a song, some lyrics, a sick verse, a bar whatever. I want to see the proverbial “light”. So “enlighten” me.

  • Countdown 123

    TRUTH?!?!? OMG Dude I was saying that Aesop does that, that was the comparison!! Erule clearly is not Aesop is the point I warewkfwejkofijwej I can’t I just can’t do this. I’m debating someone either five years old or just doing this now for fun to be openly ignorant to get a rise out of me.

  • Countdown 123 (really over now)

    TRUTH?!?!? OMG Dude I was saying that Aesop does that, that was the comparison!! Erule clearly is not Aesop is the point I warewkfwejkofijwej I can’t I just can’t do this. I’m debating someone either five years old or just doing this now for fun to be openly ignorant to get a rise out of me.

  • Sing for the Moment

    “RECOVƎRY is XXL, but then again so is Lacee for this thred!” – ME

    Please don’t take the high road and stop!!! This is making my day at work!! I’ve never seen such salty and over emotional fans. I might have to pick a new rapper to be my favorite if these other guys are my peers.

  • Sing for the Moment

    Hate to hurt my own side but I just had to bring this up cause its been bothering me, and no one on the opposing side is as big of an Eminem fan as I am. So many have brought up that Rakim and such have called Eminem a great rapper as a huge point. In his Till I Collapse song he does say “It goes, Reggie(Redman), Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outcast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me.” You could then say by his own admission Nas and Jay Z are better than him going by your own statements…

    I still think Eminem is the best!! Just had to be fair.

    • Anonymous

      Did really think he was gonna put himself at the top of his list?? That would be mighty egotistical of him. 2 That was a looooong time ago!

      2pac
      Eminem
      Biggy
      Jay-z
      Rakim
      KRS
      Big Daddy Kane
      Melle
      Nas
      LL Cool J

      • Anonymous

        I’ll take that list and put my own spin on it. These are my best/fav:

        Eminem
        2pac
        Nas
        Jay-Z
        Biggie
        Rakim
        Big Pun
        BDK
        Andre
        Snoop
        Big L
        Ghostface

  • Sing for the Moment

    Everyone left??? That was my favorite thread on xxl of all time! Lacee definitely made the best case for her side and Slvrshot for his. Smart dudes and (dudettes?)

    I never commented on the Cam topic, so here it goes…I can’t believe I’m doing it but I also cosign fully.

    Thanks for the great debate that stayed positive, “anonymous” and Countdown you got a little bit juvenile at times but it still wasn’t nearly as bad as some other stuff I’ve seen.

  • P

    This is what it comes down too…..The fact that Eminems white carries the Overrrated cloud over his head because people feel the white hip hop listeners put him on a pedistal and no matter what he does will be dope which is ignorant, because theres the same people in the black community that wont accept the fact that a white boy possesses and arsenal of lyrical ability that is second to none, but they cant relate to 80% of what he says so they use that against him….everyone has opinions, but the only opinions that really matter are his peers, Jay-Z, Nas, Andre etc never once insisted he was overrated, quite the opposite…they feel his is number one in the game, and if you’re really an avid hip hop listener you cant even front on the kids skills…

  • fuck em

    fuck em wee need shady somebody give him some weed and hard liquor…. we want shady not this punk ass ohhhh feel sorry for me cause my gay lover proof died….. go back to 8 mile and dont come back til your shady….your fowl on not affraid saying u dont give a damn what we think bitch u need us we pay ur bills we the reason u aint livin in no trailer…. dont get me wrong u cold white nigga but this album i cant b caught bumpin this in my ride id get laughed at

    • Slvrshot

      Lol Shady almost killed Shady, erm Eminem I mean Marshall Mathers.

    • Anthony Jensen

      Your a moron! I heard Nigga’s comin out of UCLA yesterday bumpin No Love, and So Bad.

      And if you don’t think this is Shady.
      “Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
      Said next time you blow up, try to spit a flow
      You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
      Im so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
      Im fired up, so fire up the lighter and the dro
      Better hold on a little tighter here I go
      Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
      Cold hearted as spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
      So ya better get to glowin in flow rider, inside of a lowrider, with no tires in the hole,
      Why am I like this? why is winter cold.
      Why is it when I talk I’m so biased to the hoe’s
      Listen dog Christmas is off,
      This is as soft as it gets, this isnt Golf,
      This is a blistering assault,
      Those are your wounds, this is the salt,
      So get lost
      Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of oz
      Wrap a lizard in gauze
      beat you in the jaws with it, grab the scissors and saws,
      and cut out your livers gizzards and balls.
      Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws.
      So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
      Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
      Got the gall to make chris piss in his draws
      Ticklin him, go to his grave, skip him, and visit his dog”

      Then you NEVER knew who Shady was to begin with. This Shady alright and he’s BADDER and Madder than ever!! So STFU and go find some other server to occupy space on!

      • Dwayne

        WHoa! Fuk that’s IIIILL! What song is that from?? Man you guys are making me wanna go download it! Stop quoting from it!! With all due respect, Lacee, Fuk U and your overrated BS! That shit is XXL Materal right there!!! I don’t have to hear the beat, you won’t find ANYTHING in the XL catagory that is on par with those lyrics! NOTHING! That shit is XXL! You guys shoulda just Quoted that shit from the start and ended this whole conversation!

        • Lilly Russell

          Dwayne that’s from On Fire! HAHA!! I know right! That’s what we’ve been trying to say! Yeah Maybe we shoulda just posted them all. It’s hard to deny something when it’s in your face in Black and White! They really do speak for themselves!

          This whole album is like that, either it’s deep story telling, or brilliant verbal agility! Not Afraid is actually the weakest song on the whole album, and for what it’s suppose to be it’s still good!

          Beast!!!!

  • the source magazine

    em its ray i just wanted to say… i told you you was a pussy ass bitch this album proves it thats why i never gave u 5 mics

  • the source magazine

    em its ray i just wanted to say… i told you you was a pussy ass bitch this album proves it thats why i never gave u 5 mics

  • Slvrshot

    Exactly P, Eminem is one of the most respected in the game. He isn’t overrated because he has mass appeal, and because he is white. Being white did help though at least in making into the mainstream scene. But his skills speak for themself. He talks about it :

    Baby, {ooh baby}, look at my sales, let’s do the math, if I was black, I would’ve sold half, I Ain’t have to graduate from Lincoln high school to know that, but I could rap, so fuck school,I’m too cool to go back, gimme the mic, show me where the fuckin’ studio’s at, when I was Underground, no one gave a fuck I was white, no labels wanted to sign me, almost gave up, I was Like, fuck it….

    Shit I’m a 20 something black dude. I feel that shit. I feel what Nas beg saying too: all the political and social, and black conscious stuff. I feel Jay-Z and all his hustler stuff. But Eminem is different. This dude talks about a person’s life, detailing things that transcend all walks of life. What does a middle class white kid know about being in the project kitchen cooking crack or robbing a liquor store? But anybody, black, white, yellow, purple can relate or know someone of the stuff Em talks about: father stepping out, spousal abuse, losing a love/friend, rebelling against parents, feeling helpless and hopless, alone, getting beat up and etc.

    • P

      co-sign…..im a 20 something year old white boy, but i can relate to conscience issues that nas and jay talked about cuz i grew up in the PJ’s, but like you said Em speaks more on a personal level relationship wise…I still got nothing but love for Nas, Jay, Pac, Big etc. cuz everyone does it there own way thats what i love about hip hop….more multicultural than anyother genre in my opinion thanks to the acceptance of Em and anyother lyricist from anyother race/creed

  • batman

    I feel like he rushed in on this. and the beats are good but not for em. As for the flow shady slow it down not so fast it needs to be spread out take your time then go off like the old days oh and for haterz. bitch imma kill you cause you don`t wanna fuck with shady cause shady well fuckin kill you bitch imma kill you

    • Craig R

      He take his time in quite a few tracks on the album. The anthony just quoted above, and So Bad, and GTC which is mid tempo.

      That fact that this album has cause this much heated, interesting, and in depth discussion, is proof enough that should get an XXL! Cause this is THE BEST discussion most intelligent discussion I’ve EVER read on this site..

      Props to Avenger & Deshawna Powell for really kicking it off, and into a more intellegent direction!

      Props to Lily Russell, Lacee, SlverShot, P & some anonymous peeps for keepin it goin. But I have to say, really Deshawna Powell, Lily Russell, and SlvrShot won this debate hands down!

    • Slvrshot

      Do you know who slim shady is?

      On Fire
      W.T.P.
      So Bad
      The End

      • lily Russell

        Sometimes he can blur the lines between the two, I was thinking Seduction and the Havoc bonus track “There we Go” and when He Kills himelf and his GF in Space Bound too. ???

        And I thought WTP was EM but I can see shady too! Cinderella Man, Almost Famous Definitly Eminem.

  • Slvrshot

    I forgot about Seduction. It’s called “The End” on my tracklist (There we Go). I like that he can blur his different personalities.

    • lily Russell

      Oh and Cold Wind Blows! Kicking a bitch in her cunt, the Elton John line, getting struck by lightening, the GOD voice that kinda sounds like satan! lol. That’s all pure Shady!

    • lily Russell

      SlverShot & P you guys gotta join us over at RapBasement! We get into these conversations all the time! Except they’re a little funnier!

  • bigjake55

    best songs = seduction,cold wind blow,going through changes, talking 2 myself ,on fire

    • Slvrshot

      I’m listening to no love. Damn his lyrics, just loaded with tongue twisters. New flow is sick.

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    This was a great debate. And because my boys have now turned to neo soul, i just wanted to cosgin with P. Em’s skin tone plays a major role. him being white is like a double edg sword. he gets recongition becaue he is white and he gets recognition because he is white. 1. too many white males/girls flocked to him. alot of them never even listened to hip hop before him. 2. He gets a lot of resepct from real hip hop fnas because he is white. However, he is not more lyrical than jay or nas. em’s strength is his vocab cadaence and rhyme schemes. But he just matches up words and really doesn’t be saying anything. Alot of credit goes to Dr. Dre. He helped develop that slim shady idea. that alows em to vent BUT still even with slim shady he’s really not saying anything. Thas where his lack of content comes into play. Em is a battle rapper with skills but little skils for songs. Nas is just as lyrical and has just as great rhyme scheme. Jayz is as lyrical but uses crazy double entenderes that the average person won’t even catch. all in all, em is good for hip hop BUT def. not the greatest.

    • Slvrshot

      LMAO at you hanging on by the slimmest thread. Jay’s famous double entenderes, yep only he using Eminem uses plenty of those, which for those that don’t know what it means, is just a clever phrase used to indicate a double meaning. If the listener doesn’t understand their meaning its about as useless as writing your lyrics in the shape of an “A”; basically no one will care. Eminem has proven he is lyrically more gifted than Jay-Z, on Jay-Z’s own song.

      Let’s re-examine the first few bars of each rapper in Renegade:

      (Jay-z) Motherfuckers -
      say that I’m foolish I only talk about jewels (bling bling)/Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?/See I’m influenced by the ghetto you ruined/That same dude you gave nothin, I made somethin doin/

      Some consonance and assonance, easy inner and end rhyming scheme do, fools(used twice), Jewels, music, through it, influenced, ghetto you runined, dude, doing.

      (Eminem)

      Since I’m in a position to talk to these kids and they listen/I ain’t no politician but I’ll kick it with ‘em a minute/Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I’ll wear it/But if it don’t, then y’all’ll swallow the truth grin and bear it/Now who’s these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics/Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics/

      Ton of assonance and consonance: “Since, Position-listen-politician”. Rhyme nearly entire last portion of bar: “kids and they listen-kick it with ‘em a minute.” Then begins next bar rhyming menace with previous minute. Switches to another set of words with ease and rhymes all of the following bars: “shoe fits I’ll wear-swallow truth grin and bear it” all while still making visual sense. Follows up with alliteration and consonance: “rude-ludacrious-lucrative-lyrics” and sets up end of bars rhyming lyrics and youth and hysterics.

      Anyone with a literary background will tell you that on paper Eminem is more impressive and its not until you hear the song that it sounds like Jay-Z not Eminem is being featured. Even Nas is quoted on “Ether” as saying: “Eminem murdered you on your own shit”.

      As far as Nas and Eminem comparisons I believe it comes down to personal perference. Both are some of the sickest lyricist in the game and its ashame we have yet to hear a collab. But anyway I won’t bother comparing the two. Nas is extremely skilled but I don’t think he is a better song writer than Eminem.

      • Slvrshot

        I won’t even waste my time on meter as Eminem is easily packing in more syllables, spitting ,and reloading before Jay even finishes his bars.

        Like comparing a shotgun to an m16.

    • Lily Russell

      Dude need to go back and re-examine Eminem’s lyrics! He’s never written a jam without content. If you need me to explain what one is about i’ll be happy to. And his jams are riddled with crazy double entenderes! Obviously far more clever than Jay’s since you didn’t realize they were there! LOL Bethie gives you a great one below.

      “i don’t need the fucking swine flu to be a sick pig” – Won’t Back Down

  • Jging

    Love on it. Hate on it. Do what you will. The album sales will speak for themselves. Just look at the numbers for Relapse. Even though a substantial amount of people hated on it it WAS THE BEST SELLING HIP HOP ALBUM OF 2009! Yes better than JAY Z. Yes better than ANYONE. Can you even begin to imagine what Recovery is going to do? Just comparing feedback and review from Relapse to Recovery it looks like he will literally rape the industry in sales. Your opinion is nothing next to the numbers. The cash aint biased mother fuckers

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    first, em did the beat. it was his song. and rexamine those lyrics again. Em flow does sound better on that song. Hell, he did the beat. Jay still said it better and it was more potent. You do me a favor. Compare album for album. NO mc in the game has a more diverese extensive category. by the way, jay switched up his flow. On another em produced beat “moment of clairity” jay explains why he did it. I’m a em fan but i dislike his music. I’m not a drake fan but i like his music. i can appreciate em as an artist but he’s like a bullet full of talent richoceting with no direction. his fans resemeble those that cheer for the raiders. they are die hard. they are a cult. Again, reexamine the lyrics. As a poet, my style is similar to EM’s because i focus more on the rhyme. Studyin other artist i can tell you that the better artist can say the same thing with less words. What jay said in those bars were way harded than what em displayed with the witty word play, the crashing constants, the sounds. some rhymes are often spoken but seldom heard.

    • Bethia Ernhart

      Actually I’ve never read a bar, from Eminem, Nas, and Jay-z where they weren’t saying anything. If you can find me one, I love to read it! All of them are great.

      But Eminem is a better lyrisits than Nas and Jay-z. Especially Nas. I know many in Rap community often mistaken Nas as the better, however anyone who actually studies the field will tell you otherwise. Nas has the same problem that Slvrshot & Lily point out above. I’ve heard many many people in the black community place Nas as a top lyricist’s. This understandable, after being labeled as ignorant for so long, we’re so sensitive about being perceived as such, that we tend to prop up writers and author’s who sound intelligent, even though that person may fail, be sub-par at what their trying to accomplish. However, educated Black folk understand the difference and the challenges in the craft. The example above using E-rule is a excellent example.

      “Diapharetic in the energetic,
      more than motion draws up kinetic, bein combined with the vibe”

      @slvrshot E-rule is trying to say he oozes a higher form of energy (charisma magnetism etc.) and aura from his pores.

      However it doesn’t work. Not only is the line structured incoherent, he’s trying too hard to appear clever and intellectual. Perhaps another word for ooze/”give’s off”, rather than the medical term for sweating, and better bar structure would have made it more eloquent and comprehensible

      Using big words that most people aren’t familiar with, to create new meanings, doesn’t make one a better lyricist. In fact, it’s easy to do with the aid of a thesaurus and gullible audience, that thinks their suppose to be impressed every time they hear university level vocabulary. But the truth is it hinders the person from being a good lyricists for two reasons. The first being the Artist never truly understands or (like Nas) never fully develops a broad range of verbal agility. And the 2nd is the reason Lily alludes too. It is very difficult to move people emotionally or intellectually, with your story or message, if they find it too difficult to comprehend.

      It’s far more challenging to take a COMMON vocabulary that people are familiar with and give it new meaning. Not only do they have to use words their audience is familiar with in away that get’s them to think about its meaning differently, the audience also has be able to comprehend it and, the Lyricist himself has train himself to think differently about the vocabulary they themselves have been conditioned to understand the meaning of.

      Eminem has developed a phenomenal ability for verbal gymnastics using a common vocabulary. Hence the reason those of us who study literature will say Eminem is the better lyricist.

      @ Anonymous says: From 2:15pm about the MTV panel on the greatest MC’s. – Understand that panel was made up of Entertainer’s and Critics, they did the same thing most people who don’t understand literary talent does. Don’t worry, people who do understand the art know where he ranks

  • Sing For The Moment

    This debate really turned-to-shit since this afternoon.

  • Bethia Ernhart

    @Lily Russell

    You can also add double entendre’s to range of Lryical Agility. Wiki defined to be a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways. Often the first meaning is straightforward, while the second meaning is less so: often risqué, inappropriate, or ironic.

    Ex: “listen garden tool don’t make me introduce you to my power tool,
    you know the f-cking drill.”

    Here you have the straight forward meaning. The person is a tool. And a drill is a power tool. But also there’s a clever risque meaning. A garden tool = Hoe, and his power tool = his dick, Drill = he’s going to drill/ have sex with her.. Funny!

    • Bethia Ernhart

      That line is from “won’t back down” btw..

  • P

    i have to say this has been by far the greatest discussion i’ve been involved in for a few reasons…1)people are more or less respecting other peoples opinions and not snapping back on some hate type ish…and 2)mostly everyone has had good material that was brought up…props……..

    shout outs to Slvrshot…Lacee, lily russel, Craig R, Definately Anonymous (word son), Avenger…all ya’ll this shows some of us can be adults about our opinions and be respectful

    Ps…I think alot of people are sleeping on that Space Bound Track…its got a diff. sound but listen to the passion and story telling Em exibits…

    • P

      BTW Happy birthday 2Pac we miss you!!! T.I.P…..Now this dude can paint a portrait with words that touches everyone!

  • P

    one other quick point i wanna make too is if you look at all the Em songs that are REAL…Emotional type songs notice the majority are ones produced by himself which is another reason hes on a whole nother level….he wants you to feel what hes saying not only with words, but with the melody…..no appologies is one example…so much emotion put into both the beat and lyrics..

    In my mind I’ma fighter, my heart’s a lighter
    My soul is the fluid, my flow sparks it right up
    Arsenic writer, author with arthritis
    Carpel tunnel, Marshall will start shit-itis
    Hard headed and hot headed, bull headed and pig headed,
    Dick headed, a prick, a big headache I’m sick
    Quick witted, for every lyric spitted there are 6 critics
    Who wait for me to slip with it, so quick
    This dynamite stick buried the wick, it’s gonna explode any minute
    Some lunatic lit it and it’s not Nelly
    Do not tell me to stop yelling, when I stop selling I quit
    So stop dwelling an I am not felling
    You fuckers are not ready, cause I got jelly, like (Beyonce’s) pot belly
    This is Destiny, yes money I’m of running
    So get off of me, I’m not slowing or softening

  • Countdown 123 …10

    I shouldnt sink to their level…I know I know…but I cant help it…

    Bethia pretending to be as smart as Lacee by dissecting one line from a master lyricist like Erule is funny. “Big Words” huh? They are pretty common to myself, but you keep thinking using the same simple words in different structures is art and educating the masses. Now lets all be educated by the great Eminem who people can’t say ONE bad thing about even though the opposing side gives him his props, have switched their view to give him a top five slot to appease, and yet the Eminem fans keep posting on various names, now two mysteriously new women lol and not agree with one point against Eminem. And lets only counter attack Jay Z and Nas because thats all we know or ERULE (he wasn’t even brought up to attack Eminem!!! lol) because he was brought up and never heard of until this thread “people who do understand the art” know its important to only listen to Eminem and only speak on his behalf. So lets not listen to any reply and invent the reply we wanted to hear and attack it. So here is Eminem, not a joke like ICP, but an educator to the black community.

    I remember the first time I dismembered a family member
    December I think it was I was having drinks with my cousin
    I wrapped him in Christmas lights pushed him in the stinking tub
    Cut him up into pieces and just when I went to drink his blood
    I thought I outta drink his bathwater
    that outta be fun

    XXL EMINEM IS JESUS CHRIST OF THE RAP WORLD WOOOOO!!! MORE MORE!! The Cinderella Man that everyone is talking about.

    I’m bout to punch ya to the ground, ya trick,
    It’s a trap,
    Fuck my last cd this shits in my trash,
    I be god damned if another rapper gets in my ass,
    I hit the gas and I spit every rap as if it’s my last.

    WOW!!! My little cousin couldn’t write those lyrics, he must have spent years on that one!!

    Nobody knows me, I’m cold, walk down this road all alone
    It’s noone’s fault but my own, it’s the path I’ve chosen to go
    Frozen as snow, I show no emotion what’soever, so
    Don’t ask me why I have no love for these muh’fuckin’ hoes

    OOOOH MY TIGHT LYRICS RIGHT?? Lets hear something of his that really makes sense to educate and trumps that silly Erule nonsense.

    250,000 miles and a clear night in June
    And I’m so lost without you

    GET IT? ITS A METAPHOR FOR SOMETHING RIGHT? HES GENNNNNIIIUUUUS!!! And if you don’t like it “you can kiss my ass in a lint thong now sing a long slut” WOOOOOAH

    Check out this shit, it will merk Seuss in his grave

    Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
    Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
    You wanna criticize dog try a little mo

    THAT SHIT RIGHT THERE TRUMPS ANYTHING NAS HAS PUT OUT TO EDUCATE THE BLACK PEOPLE, HOLY SHIT IS EM NICE!!!!!! I’M CUMMMMMING I’M CUMMMMING!!!

    Pull a fifth of Bacardi from outta my underwear
    And walk around the party without a care

    I NEED MORE EM

    I shoot to kill like I’m hollerin’ “Die Santa!”
    Miss the tree and hit Rudolph and two innocent bystanders
    So quit tryin’ ta play the wall like you pawlin’
    Get on the floor when the beat drops and stop stallin’

    SHIT I NEVER THOUGHT I’D HEAR HIM EDUCATE US WITH A RUDOLPH LINE GOD DAMN SHIT IS NICE SON!!!!! GONNA DEAD DAT SANTA FA REAL!!!!

    Life is no nintendo game, but you lied again
    Now you get to watch her leave out the window
    Guess that’s why they call it “window pane” GET IT???!??!?!!?!

    I CAN RELATE I LEAVE TO WORK OUT MY WINDOW EVERY DAY GOD DAMN SHIT IS ILL!!! SON HAS JOKES FOR DAYS!!

    “Get off my antidisestablishmentarianism, you prick”

    OH SHIT THERES THEM WORDS SIMPLIFIED FOR THE KIDDIES THAT ISN’T EVEN A REAL WORD

    NOW HE TRUMPS EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY ALL SAY HES GOOD RIGHT???

    I went away I guess to open up some lanes
    But there was no one who even knew what I was going through- growing pains
    Hatred was flowing through my veins
    On the verge of going insane
    I almost made a song dissin Lil Wayne
    It’s like I was jealous of him cause the attention he was gettin’
    I felt horrible about myself
    He was spittin and I wasn’t
    Anyone who was buzzin back then coulda got it
    Almost went at Kanye too
    God it feels like I’m goin’ psychotic
    Thank god that I didn’t do it
    I would of had my ass handed to me

    WOOOOOAH LETS BACK UP AND ERASE THAT SHIIIIIT!!!! NOBODY READ THAT ONE.

    LIKE LYRICS FROM THE NEW CD???? XXL BABY!! LETS GIVE IT AN ENORMOUS XXE BABY!!! FIRE THIS THREAD IS ON FIRE FROM ALL THAT HOT ISH!!!! IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARENT TRUE TO THE ART!!!!!

    Now I’m done.

    • Bethia Ernhart

      Excuse me? I only just joined this conversation, I’ve never said people weren’t allowed to criticize Eminem. Ill criticise anyone when the facts show the criticism is warranted. I’ll have you know, I’m a Black women about to turn 40. I own 3 Eminem CD’s TES, Encore, and Relapse. I do not own his earlier work, because while it’s subject matter was taboo at the time of it release, I felt it was a little immature for my taste. I also own all of Nas, Jay-z, Common, D12, Dre, DMX, Kanye, 2pac, Big L, just purchased B.o.B’s, and a zillion of other rapper’s works. So Please do not assume you know anything about me or who I listen too.

      I simply stated the facts. And those are the facts. The lyrics are online for anyone who’d like to examine them. I only used that E-rule example, because it was already conveniently available on the board, therefore I didn’t have to go look for lyrics to get the exact wording, and it was a good example of illustrating the flaw’s that give the illusion of great lyricism. Every bit it of what I stated I stand behind. While you may use the term and phrase Diaphretic in the energetic, in your everyday vocabulary, i can assure you ma’am or sir, 90% of the US population does not. SlvrShot and Lily’s questioning as to what it meant, illustrates that! As educated as I am, even I completely missed the impact of that bar, because I had to jump through monumental hoops to make the connection. I would be more than willing to appease you with a half dozen example’s directly from Nas’s work if you’d like me to. Nas’s lyrics especially his earlier work suffer’s from this same handi-capp

      Otherwise you can just continue to behave like a baby, anytime someone disagrees with, or proves a false criticism made by yourself or whoever else to be inaccurate..

    • Bethia Ernhart

      I realize your being a sarcastic prick, and unprovoked one at that, hence the reason I choose not to respond to the rest of that.

      But I’d just like to point out – “antidisestablishmentarianism” everyone from the 8th and up, knows that word is most certainly a real word. Even they don’t remember what it mean’s, It’s common knowledge that it’s the longest word in the English dictionary.. It’s the first thing our teacher informed of us of upon it’s introduction…

      Therefore it’s use here is appropriate and quite clever. the whole line is,

      “Now get off my dick, dick’s too short of a word for my dick.
      Get off my antidisestablishmentarianism you prick!”

      Yes that is very clever way to use an uncommon word that most people may not remember the meaning of, in wordplay.

      Perhaps you might to consider understanding what your reading first.

    • Lily Russell

      LOL!! Rep! In case you missed what was so cleverly brilliant about that “simple” little bar. Rather than the usual usage of a really long object (hose, pipe, etc) to describe how long his dick is, Or just find a another meaning of the word long, or using the meaning of this word itself to give his metaphor meaning. He instead thought to use a well known fact about a word to his give his metaphor meaning. That’s how deep into thinking about his wordplay that he is.

      If Nas, Jay-z, or E-rule or any other black man had done it, trust me, they’d be fuking calling him genius!! But Shady’s white and his standards are higher!

      Nas’s brilliance!
      “Must be dementia, that you ever thought
      You could touch our credentials, what’s the initials?”

      That’s fuking clever NOT!

      Burn candles, say prayers, paint murals
      It is truth we big news, we hood heroes

      WTF?? That’s comprehensible fo sho! We can all relate to that shyt!

      “And we could blaze it up on your block if you want to
      Or haze it up stash box in a Hummer
      Or you could run up and get done up”

      Holy christ, why is this man wasting his life writing raps when he should be writing the fuking bible!!!!!!!!! 4 REAL!

      “Only talking with winners
      A loser or two
      Got my number
      Still they think they real
      But they just really awfully bitter
      Salty niggaz Hate the smarter ones
      These are the doubters
      Who’s our ’bout my run”

      WELL FUK ME SIDEWAYS! How I made it this far in life without that fucking enlightenment is mindfukingboggling!

      See that slime bag shit you tryin to pull can be done to NAS THE GREATEST OF ALL ILLUSIONIST (oh sorry i meant) LYRICIST’S ALSO!!

    • Lily Russell

      How about you address the lyrics P posted above yours?? Why take a few lines out of context, and risk having your ass handed to you, like you did on the “antidisestablishmentarianism” line?

      And that last partial verse that you quoted REALLY REALLY makes you look retarded and underscores for our side, why it is an XXL!! Name one other Rapper with the fuking guts to say that shit!! Name one! That’s fuking humility to the core! Something RESPECTABLE in human beings. Instead of commending him for his humility, lets take your fuked up approach, and fuking rag on him for it! You are a despicable human being! GTFOH!!

      And lastly you fake, “And lets only counter attack Jay Z and Nas because thats all we know”

      No that’s not why they were attacked tard, ff1 brought them into the argument saying Nas ans Jay-z were better lyricists. pay attention.. you need to get off E-rule’s dick, LACEE, (yea, it’s obvious you wrote that post!) He’s jumblin your brain with that gibberish he spit!

  • Johnny J

    lol @ Countdown……Stan was written about you!! fuck now i get it, you waited outside for an autograph in the blisterin cold for hours and he just said no, and since then your panties have been in a knot….just his name alone brings anger to you, the lipstick comes out and the dress….seriously who said that eminem ever had thought provoking content for the black community??? Look what crack did to DMX kid and put that shit down.

  • Sing for the Moment says

    Sing For The Moment says
    “This debate really turned-to-shit since this afternoon.”

    I spoke too soon, that was the funniest outburst ever! As mean spirited as that was, I crown you the new champ of this thread. (I had to look up that Rudolph line to make sure you weren’t messing with us.)

  • talking champions

    my pick was the third comment early on

    Dante says:

    How much did Interscope pay you clowns to write this? The album is trash.

  • s. Bejda

    a good morning wtf? they just stocked new replies under the ones anti-em and then later posted comments to back the higher up comments making it look like the anti-em ones got smashed?

    i love eminem but im calling bullshit right now with tracked posts from different names under the same computer and hating on every different opinion (one dude gave credit to it being a great debate after using one of his other names to debate, word to god)

    i love eminem but i hate these people defending him, they are making him look bad with immaturity, ignorance, and inflated egos.

    countdown you seemed normal before is johnny j right about a crack habit, dude went crazy there, if you took a deep breath and wrote that neater i would have given that props

    • Lily Russell

      S beja If your seeing one person using the Same computer, I might be myself and Anthony. We’re room mate’s and go to UCLA together. We access the internet through the same computer, using ICS, even though we’re both on different computers. Just because something reads that it’s from the same computer, doesn’t mean that it is.. Who’s exactly is it that is defending him, that’s making him look bad, and what exactly did they say.

      The ONLY people on this board making him look bad, are people like lacee who come on here and PRETEND to like Em and say a few nice things, so she can then say BS like “Eminem is and always has been Overrated”

      Yeah that’s fuking objective BS right there.

      They aren’t really interested in anything we have to say about EM or how good he is. they’re ONLY really interested in trying to convince you, that he good, but not good enough to be considered great.. Because if he is, that means someone loses a slot in top, and it might be their Fav!

  • s. Bejda

    i didnt want to bring her up but now that you did lacee was mature and knew her stuff she got hated on and left a lot of us were feeling her even opposing her you really are wrong she pretty much was the most interesting poster and if you read after she left it got stupid and people were butt hurt and kept trying to provoke her or make some magical point that made no sense or pretentious copycats trying to mimic her and then the crazy amount of same posters with different names came in to slam her comments that aint cool in my book.

  • Clifton Fermi

    Welcome Bethia, the comments only worsen

    50 posters love you, but they’re all the same person

    Your not hip hop, you’re all scene

    You “study the field” just like Robert Green

    Early Em you passed on cause of what it depicts

    But use your weak writing skills to fulfill the wills of defending drills and dicks

    Nice Countdown rattle, the top poster wouldn’t battle

    You had no worth, now off your high horse, mirrored saddle

    A cross between The New Yorker and Highlights

    Your comments suck so bad they could be considered 2/3s of the Twilights

    Her Penn game exists cause shes a primadonna

    Please host make her go ghost shes a post piranha

    She is well beyond precocious

    Come on, every day people use the word supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

    I’ll pass on your half-ass hypnosis, unturned

    Bethia bodied, her heart got urned

    • Lily Russell

      I’m sure she doesn’t need me to defend her, but dude, you didn’t counter, address, or disproved a single thing she said. But imma go talk to one of the professors at UCLA tomorrow and asked them about what she said. Cuz it sounds reasonable to me.

      People are creature’s of Habit, once they become set in a way of thinking it’s is hard to change it. So yeah it seems like it would require more talent to give common everyday vocabulary new meaning..

      Disprove it, if you don’t agree

      • truth be told

        lily im sorry if you really are a ten year old girl thats not being mean im being serious

        that freestyle was hilarious and to help you understand why everyone left and the only ones supporting you are yourself is this

        you first have been rewording peoples early discussions to fit in yours which everyone can go see, you admitted to being multiple people in a bluff and when you realized it was impossible to track people you called out the few people against em who clearly all had different opinions from even each other

        and now you dont understand basic lyrics, read that full sentence “Nice Countdown rattle, the top poster wouldn’t battle” obviously he isn’t saying the countdown mental break down was nice he was saying she had to go up against a spazz because as I said earlier the real debaters left this school yard ages ago. Then you get mad the person didn’t recognize you spazzing out with nas? you love all this negative attention and are begging for others to come back and they really all think you all are pathetic. I mean making fun of Nas’s lyrics by calling him a “tard” at the end? if you are a young kid I apologize if you really are an adult this isnt meant to be an insult but you need to check yourself.

        • Lily Russell

          If you travel down the page some I do address most of what you stated here. I never admitted to any such thing! Anthony and I have two different IP addresses, he is my roomate, we attend UCLA, You claim I am rewording earlier conversations? How about you putting words in my mouth?! I KNEW YOU DOPE that she couldn’t see that shit hence the reason I offered that information! Duh! How would she be able to verify what I told her. I was hoping she’d respond and say something, that she noticed it or whatever, she didn’t so I posted that to provoke her!

          And I mostly certainly am not rewording shit, I misread what she said earlier! So I went back read what she said an address that. She did say he was a sell out though! And overrated. She’s a dumb cunt! “No harsh words for Eminem personally, he writes good stuff and I think does have heart for some tracks, but Eminems fans almost hinder his career by putting a paper crown on his head.” — Um no harsh words, but, he’s overrated? We HINDER his career, by trying to put a Paper crown on him. LMAO! She’s a TARD too. The only person that can HINDER his career is him. A bunch of fans on a forum won’t effect him in anyway. Have you been to a Jay’z fan site? You think Em’s fans are putting paper crowns on him! lmao Fuking Jay-z fans think that bitch walks on water! Go point out his flaws and see if they “Hinder his career”

          Jesus…

          And the rest what she said was still Bogus, but she was unfairly trying to hold other artist’s best work to Em’s weakest work in order to make Em look inferior! It didn’t work again it backfired, Because apparently she/ you doesn’t know what the fuk a diss track is!

          And guess what You might surprised at just how many CREDIBLE and note-able people think Nas is an egotistical TARD and that shit shows in his writing! He’s not God ya know, and FAR from perfect!

    • Lily Russell

      And countdown’s rattle was SHIT, I did the same thing with NAS’s so called brilliant lyrics! He’s a tard

    • mp7

      i love me a strong black woman but damn bethia took it on this one lol on point and hysterical!!!

    • Slvrshot

      Well damn.

  • Lily Russell

    S.Bejda

    Are you lacee?? Come on? She didn’t say anything interesting? What did she say that was valid, that did get proved to be flawed? She claimed he was overrated. Then she used rappers from either before Em’s time, or KNOWN Rejects like Benzino to compare him to. Now no one countered that shit because we all laughed! EVERYONE except her knows Eminem would seriously MURDER Benzino!, HE ALREADY DID! Remember the track Bully?? That was for Ben and Ja! Em KILLED them! Then He Killed them again with Halites revenge! They would never go up against Em EVER! Paste this watch?v=Y7DPdz1Py-o after the / on Youtube.

    So what did she say that no one countered? What was the magic point that made no sense? You mean my point that Em isn’t selling out, that he is actually supporting hip hop, by including commercial tracks, so Shady Records could keep growing and supporting new artists?? So you wanted us to lie and agree with her and avenger that he was a sell out to pop? You wanted us to agree with her that fuking Benzino of all people a Known ememey of Em’s, that he killed already, was better lyrically?? You on crack if you thought that! Those are the point’s we made, cuz those are the points she made!

    And the only other poster who sounds as intelligent, is Bethia, and she sounds totally legit. I sure as don’t speak that damn properly, and what she saying also makes sense! And she didn’t start posting on here til after Lacee stopped her post was in reply to ff1! S.bej. With all due respect, you have a twisted view of the conversation here, and the people making Em look bad! We addressed every point she made. Did I miss one that we didn’t address or a point she won??

    • s. Bejda

      lily she never compared Eminem to Benzino she said he won easy battles like Benzino i cant keep this up because you are reinventing discussions and calling me lacee now after self admitting you are at least two people on here? i need to let you all do whatever it is you are doing now cause i honestly dont want anymore of this.

      • Lily Russell

        First I never admitted any such thing. Anthony is Anthony, I am me. Our computer address is the same, but if you look, our IP addresses are different. We share the same gateway nothing else!

        2nd I’m woman enough to admit when I’m wrong. She didn’t compare him to Benzino I read it wrong. Instead she what she tries to do is compare El-p linda Tripp Diss track and Company Flow’s catalogue to a few of Eminem’s weaker commercial tracks, in order to make Em seem inferior!

        Quote : “I’m not even an El-P fan but listen to his diss Linda Tripp and compare that to his Benzino battles (WHY jus his those battles? Why not all his diss tracks? Is it cuz that’s all you’ve ever heard?), listen to El-Ps catalogue from Company Flow days till now, then listen to Em rap about his peepee wants hilary duffs bum and raping of the rhyme scheme ee and ack, and El-P is just one of many that is a decade beyond Ems game.”

        And you bobble heads bought into that BS, just because she dropped some underground faggots name, that apparently you don’t know. “oooh she made some valid points” No the fuck she didn’t! You just must not know the Linda Tripp track! EL-P doesn’t even know what a diss track is compared to Shady!! Don’t you know this guy’s work?? He can’t write a diss track cuz he doesn’t even understand what one is! He tries to use all these highly enlightened lyrics to spell out his diss’s and it does nothing but water down the impact! Diss tracks ain’t about enlightened lyrics! If I gotta go look something up, then the bar has no fukin meaning when I first hear it! So while he’s off busy looking up words in his thesaurus trying conjure of some highly enlightened way of saying, Imma put a bullet in you (which of course as we all know is a heavy diss, *rolling eyes*) Both past Shady and today’s Shady woulda stripped that bitch of his dignity, demoralized and humiliated his ass! WATCH for the next post, cuz Imma show ya!

        3rd she said “but he never went face to face with a real competitor like Nas did going up against Jay Z. (nevermind that he never had beef w/ Jay-z and therefore didn’t have a reason to go after him, and nevermind that he killed jay-z on his own track)” But again you bobble heads actually agreed with that crap! Go back up to the middle & look! I didn’t respond cuz THAT IS A JOKE! IT IS BS! REMEMBER Em went after NAS, dissin & provoking him numerous times during that time, cuz Nas fuked up!! Nas knew he fuked up and didn’t stand a chance, cuz he’d end up being stripped naked and humiliated for the same reason her boy El-p would have were he to ever think about against EM!

        Here’s your Lyrics comparison dogs..

        • ryzin starr (only for Lily)

          eminem is my favorite rapper but i would never call el-p a faggot you are doing what they were talking about alienating eminem against the rest of hip hop it makes you seem idiotic el-p is hyper lyrical and goes over a lot of peoples head but dont knock that man he brought a lot of people up through def jux and is a staple to the hip hop production. the man can produce.

          if you have an issue that eminem is white and has had it harder in the game then why call el-p a faggot after listening to one of his songs? el-p is a monster. listen to Step Father Factory its incredibly touching and beautiful art

          eminem would tear up el-p in a freestyle battle, in a production thought out battle el-p would destroy him

  • Lily Russell

    Going get sleep be back in the morning to check for your reply. Nite! :)

  • satin sheet spyz

    Clifton Ouch……All I can say is Ouch…

  • Lurigancho

    dobléguese!! i remember clifton tearing people up in the ea promo battles!! adórelo!!

  • Lily Russell

    OH MAN LACEE IS BUSTED!! We just did a ping and source traceroute on this page! All these post’s talking about how intelligent Lacee is, and ppl trying to be lacee imitators ARE FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS AS LACEE’S POST!! WAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! OMG THAT’S Funny!! GOOD NIGHT You SUCKERS!!!!

    • truth be told

      lol Lily thats impossible you know that right? that guy took a guess that you em fans were doing that as a bluff cause it was obvious and you all fell into it and admitted it!! now guilty you are trying to act like you have access to xxl site? you said goodnight then raced back on to make sure you had the last word as well you clearly are like ten or have some serious issues.

      i never get this loud in posts but you two or three people left are some heavy trolls and need to get out more you guys and gals are epic fails

  • Anonymous

    hahaha funny shit, and yeah I posted under my normal name NAPTOWNNUISANCE and anonymous but thats cause Im to lazy to post it sometimes, especially when I just want to be quick and to the point, but never to be deceptive like others on here.Overall some really good points where made regardless, I stand by my opinion though I have been following him from the start and still think he is one of the best and has proven it time and time again.Though he still really doesnt get the whole hearted respect he deserves.

  • Slvrshot

    Well, Slvrshot wins.

  • Anonymous

    The definition of a lyricist is “A writer of song lyrics. Also called lyrist.” Therefore, your definition of a lyricsist may differ from his/hers/or mine. The bi definition of a lyrcist will differ from the str8 and narrow one. With that said, when you compare lyrics in the sense of hip hop you have to look at the entire history of hip hop.

    for you, em maybe doing something new BUT he’s really not. In fact, his imprint on the game is mainly a white boy that spits the way some of the top lyrcist spit. What he does ALL the top lyricist can do. What he does alot of low rate mcs can do, but choose not to do for one reason or another. As a result, subject matter and placement of words along with the power behind the words must be used when debating the greatest.

    One of Nas’s first singles: The world is yours

    I sip the Dom P, watchin Gandhi til I’m charged
    Then writin in my book of rhymes, all the words pass the margin
    To hold the mic I’m throbbin, mechanical movement
    Understandable smooth shit that murderers move wit
    The thief’s theme, play me at night, they won’t act right
    The fiend of hip-hop has got me stuck like a crack pipe
    The mind activation, react like I’m facin time like
    ‘Pappy’ Mason with pens I’m embracin
    Wipe the sweat off my dome, spit the phlegm on the streets
    Suede Timb’s on my feets, makes my cypher, complete
    Whether crusin in a six-cab, or Montero Jeep
    I can’t call it, the beats make me fallin asleep
    I keep fallin, but never fallin six feet deep
    I’m out for presidents to represent me (Say what?)
    I’m out for presidents to represent me (Say what?)
    I’m out for dead presidents to represent me

    Nas is using just as good word play BUT what he is talking about and how he says it makes his “simple” words weigh heavy. at 19, nas imprint changed rap. Much like rakim’s.

    I’m makin short term goals,whonder whether foes
    just put away the leathers and put ice on the gold
    chilly with enough bail money to free a big willy
    high stakes, i got more at stake than philly
    shoppin sprees, copin three, duece fever i guess its fully loaded,
    ah yes,
    bouncin in the lex luger, tires smoke like buddha
    50 g’s to the crap shooter,
    niggas can’t fade me
    chrome socks beamin, through my periphial i see ya schemin
    stop dreamin’,i leave ya body steamin
    niggas is feenin, whats the meanin
    i’m leanin on any nigga intervenin with the sound of my money machine-in
    my cuff runnin over with hundreds
    im one of the best niggas that done it
    six digits and runnin,
    y’all niggas don’t want it
    i got the godfather flow, the don juan demarco
    swear to god, don’t get it fucked up

    Thas a classic Jay verse from can’t knock the hustle. Again, the subject matter with those same lyrical jewels. Not to mention, the song itself. I could’ve used dead president to show how jay used a hot line to make a hot song. But this was one of his first singles that was also an increbile song.
    Hi kids! Do you like violence? (Yeah yeah yeah!)
    Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
    Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
    Try ‘cid and get fucked up worse that my life is? (Huh?)
    My brain’s dead weight, I’m tryin to get my head straight
    but I can’t figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)
    And Dr. Dre said, “Slim Shady you a basehead!”
    Uh-uhhh! “So why’s your face red? Man you wasted!”
    Well since age twelve, I’ve felt like I’m someone else
    Cause I hung my original self from the top bunk with a belt
    Got pissed off and ripped Pamela Lee’s tits off
    And smacked her so hard I knocked her clothes backwards like Kris Kross
    I smoke a fat pound of grass and fall on my ass
    faster than a fat bitch who sat down too fast
    C’mere slut! (Shady, wait a minute, that’s my girl dog!)
    I don’t give a fuck, God sent me to piss the world off!

    This is one of Em’s first drops. I agree you gotta love his attention to detail. His rhyme scheme, his cadence. his delivery. BUT read it. does it sound good? ya, but Em is using his skills with no subject matter.

    One of my favorite qoutes is to travel is to progress.

    That means to read to grow to learn.

    He is an artist that has to pull ideas out of his ass. Nas, didn’t graduate from highschool but its clear he is educated a tad. he does read. As somebody who reads and graduated college with a pretty good gpa, i score nas down becauase its like he just READ the material

    Jayz, reads as well but he actually traveled. You can tell he experienced a lot of the things he wrote about. its more passion in his lyrics. its not just about his money hoes drugs and etc. its about the same lyrics attached to experience which sells the idea.

    Em is no doubt a great lyrcist BUT he is running out of material; hence his last two albums prior to this one. I will say Recovery is a better album because he is inspired, again. Much like nas’s stillmatic.

    With that said, its a difference between an artist and painter. do the math.

    • jonny bizness

      thank u nuthin apart from ready 2 die can fuck with nas and jays debut albums u can have wateva rhyme scheme u want be betta skilled blah blah blah but at the end of the day can u match the work of those albums i don’t think so !!!!

    • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

      @Anonymous
      My name is ? Are you serious that was a wek song to use as a comparison to those songs.The song you need to use off of the Slim Shad lp is “If I Had” or maybe “Rock Bottom”.

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    …i’ll take credit for that last drop.

  • Olive Branch

    People People…There is no “Best” in any of the art fields, it’s subjective, your points for it being good are others for it being bad. Enjoy who you like and respect others opinions. If you really want people to to like your artist you shouldn’t treat them with such disrespect, it will just discourage them all together when all these artists have no problem with anyone, they’d love more listens and fans.

  • Anonymous

    whoever wrote that freestyle could you ghostwrite a track for me to get at my friend who tried getting with my gf? you seriously have freakish skills

  • Jose Abrego Galdamez

    *hears church mouse* The House Of Eminem got aired out. Disciples exposed as all putas.

  • P

    listening to Bad Influence shaking my head at the haters. lol

  • P

    *hears an asshole getting torn* hey its Jose’s ass meeting Godzillahater’s dick, and its in for some serious pounding while eminems “disciples” stand in amazement….

    idiot.

  • P

    its interesting that some people will compare a really good nas song to a fairly poor eminem song, and try justifying why Em is not on the same level by the conext and lyrics of those two songs…Its impossible to compare the two because there subject matter and style are polar opposites. BUT this is hip hop and unlike other genres of music hip hop fans are by far way more opinionated….ie.

    Nas – i give you power..great story telling from the perspective of a gun, very detailed moody

    Eminem – stan – great story telling aswell, from the perspective of a fan, absolute crazy track

    now the reason i picked these two is the similarity of how they tell the story…but whos to say which one is better? It all comes down to background, where you from, and your appreciation for the music….

    Once again Prove to me how Eminem is overrated…Just by mentioning the ttrack Stan is enough to kill that noise

    • Lilly Russell

      REP!

  • Jose Abrego Galdamez

    Cumming all over P’s face initiated ███████████████████] 99% Complete…

    *skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet*

    Process completed.

    Moneys on the dresser hun.

    • P

      brilliant come back, really intelligent and original! too bad though the only come back you got i left on your moms chin. sorry i wasnt there to be your daddy, it must have been hard growing up seeing you mom suck dick each night for a few peso’s but im proud of you, you made it in life~!

      stay gettin that 3rd world money partna..

  • ryzin starr

    you em haters are stupid

    xxl has never made it secret that they are pro eminem this magazine is pro eminem and the subscribers are as well of course hes going to get recognition, i say its karma for how badly the source treated him, OK he doesnt deserve xxl i will agree but does he really deserve like 2-3 mics in the source they f’d him big time, for all you smart-alec old heads posting you know the source f’d him and dre

    dont come here if you dont like eminem cuz you wont win an argument because this is an eminem post, this isnt a post for whatever artist you like, its an eminem song post, from a magazine very much behind eminem if you dont like it boohoo go spend your time creating a magazine instead of sulking

    to repeat, before you em hating clowns reply, YES IT IS BIAS, say all you want about xxl on eminems dick but you know what? hes going to get high ratings people can prefer what they want and if you ran a magazine youd want to give your friends breaks and go where the money is and DONT you think of denying that

  • Sing for the Moment

    i agree with that

  • mp7

    cosign not only do i agree with that i think that finally someone beat lacee

    that eminem fan somewhat agreed with her and than came with the checkmate that was truthful and unlike just posting lyrics that can be liked or disliked by opinion, he made factual points and trumped her

    good lookin out ryzin – lacee you got beat

  • qtchik99

    to p
    i <3 spacebound 2!!! i think it grows on you

    ryzin star THANK YOU SOOOO much for finally beating lacee i was so sick of that b***h

  • yo delf

    Lily Russell: One who wishes to be considered by society as a member of the opposite sex, because they have the external genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics of one sex, but their personal identification and psychosocial configuration is that of the opposite sex.

  • Lily Russell

    I feel like what ryzin said was true, however he doesn’t need favoritism to beat her down! It’s easily done using her own words! This the guy she claims is decades ahead of Em, and holds up this crappy diss track as an exhibit.
    Atrack the underground even says the verses are weak, and the only reason this track ended the beef is cause they had Soul on tape!

    When your done readin this wack ass shit, Go youTube it! Becuz it’s even WORSE when you listen to it!! EM WORSE flow and Song on Infinite kills this shyt!!

    “Some cats know us but this one don’t
    I oughta pierce this fuckin phallus through your rookie ass throat
    Yo duke, don’t step to me until you’re ripened fruit
    I’m loopy from the invitations from funeral glue
    Stone poems dissolve combatants via shards through 56k high speed
    Still blitzed like relaxed I’ll call geisha felatio deeds
    Like fertilizer bombs packed in air tower compartment docks
    Sticky fuck revolution shot – send all complaints to rupert murdoch
    I’ll black out in the mug of suburbanites with little stinger’s crew
    You volunteer for the draft stupid–thats on you!!
    On some upper middle class romantic notion
    So the mortar scraps’ll fly cry gates section 8 escape like klinger do
    The demented happy face bruised back for pussycrew packin
    Rockin clam diggers with cut knees in hepatitis puddles – no vaccine
    Plus 99% are down but you still give respect for
    Silently questionin your direction – like amistad passenger section
    Gilbert grape against magneto odds;
    Ultimate break 5 versus your needle pops;
    Davey jones versus goliath;
    I’m ed sullivan beatles crowd response
    I slowed it down – try to download this gig to formatted floppy disk
    While heads bop like epileptics sucking my dick to some off-beat shit”
    ———————
    That last line was The Only thing that would Hold up in a diss battle, Half that shit don’t make sense, The Insults are SO damn weak, they have to to try to glamorize them by tryin to make em sound highly enlightened! It’s like tryin to put Lipstick on Frankenstein, and sayin he’s beautiful! IT’S SOO WEAK!. If he said that shit in a diss battle it’d be nothing but a room of blank faces, waitin for the punchlines! THAT SHIT IS WACK – Even BIG WEENY Kills this shit! Kill You, Kills this shit, Just don’t give a fuck DEFINTELY Kills this shit! And Shady today would cum all over these crappy diss’s! Think about Shady’s shit as you read this garbage!

  • Lilly Russell

    You little lying muthafucka you know you kiss my ass
    And then you try to ::scratch:: change up the past
    Who fell into their own hari kari kit when they lied to themselves
    Self abuse by selling lies self destructive
    I am captain kirk, spock and lieutenant uhura on the away team
    You’re henson lebowitz – the sacrificial lamb for the episode
    You beamed to the wrong planet this time
    Wth a hot pink phaser and one line
    Before getting morphed to faggot dust for not knowing our status
    Automatic and absolutely the poisonous shit-licking one cyber reject
    New england rich boy soon to catch a bay area eject
    Marionette pussy non-veteran
    I got more friends than you where you live << (Most clever/ humiliating line in this garbage)
    (menopause/ men all pause) when I stop that flow of estrogen
    You wanna be on the cutting edge–sliced up
    Emotions knifed–life sucks
    Feeling dejected when frustration is misdirected in official election
    Conjections on top of blaming misinformation textures <>This is my ride; and your not commadering it
    The only thing advanced about your music
    Is that you need a computer to hear it <<< 2nd best diss in this garbage!
    This year your independent,
    Last year you was on some keep it real shit, right?
    The last year before that you discovered hip-hop
    And you immediately became an internet genius
    Fecetious pseudo-intellectualism can’t contest wisdom
    I feel like selena; the president of my fan club trying to kill me
    And you’se a bad ass?
    Let’s take a linda trip file since you wanted to play the game filthy
    Bad enough that you lied about me;
    front like this isn’t your voice
    I’ll be force to release the microcassette in it’s entirety
    ——————-
    Now that’s how a Rapper paints a picture of humiliation! Huh? PLEASE!!! Decade’s above EM?? FUK we don’t even need the Benzino disses, Em writes better disses, just dissin that bitch Ja Rule or Mariah Carey! This sort of wack-ass crap is exactly why they’re underground and will stay underground! ITS BADDER THAN BAD!! LOL And you couple of goobs was actually saying she had a valid point!! WAHAHA!!! Hell just the 2nd verse in Here We Go (The end) pisses all over this!

  • mp7

    “I feel like Selena; the president of my fan club trying to kill me” – El-P

    come on lily that diss was A+ material

    im with the others dont turn this into an el-p bash, i love em but im not about to diss el-p the man is too good

    • Lily Russell

      Hey I didn’t wanna bash any other rappers just so’s ya know! But that’s where she wanted to go! She even had people on this board totally convince she had valid point. Well she only made a few. So they had to have been talking about that one cuz we squash the other ones!

      No way hosea could we have just sat here and bobbed our heads and said, like yeah totally, EL-p’s the man! Come on! NOW they’re on here holding other Rappers Best works side by side with Shady’s weaker commercial material to make their point that Em isn’t as good good a lyricists? Why is okay to say to Em’s overrated and not okay to say NAS, Jay-z and El-p are! Why shouldn’t we just slaughter their man, that’s what they’re here to do to Em!

      Man I been dying for them to start posting lyrics so we could kill them! HAHA!! Do we have to stop! lol

  • Sing for the Moment

    def jux was the shit, el-p del mr. lif

    listen to mr. lif – brothaz
    im not putting that song up for debate against anyone, just saying its a great song

  • satin sheet spyz

    i dont think el-p was using enlightened words or words people can’t understand, I think like lil wayne he might have used too many metaphors and made some references not all would get but overall it was a straighforward read and was amusing i wouldnt shit on that at all

    listening to your lif song and other el-p songs im already a fan

    • Lily Russell

      “Feeling dejected when frustration is misdirected in official election
      Conjections on top of blaming misinformation textures”

      What does that mean? The fact that I have to ask you says ALLOT!! Misinformation textures?? WTF?? He’s FAILING Miserably at trying to appear highly artistic! It’s BAD BAD BAD writing. And omg, it doesn’t stop there! There’s whole fuking albums like that! And she got nerve to come on here and prop up this convoluted, lipstick on frankenstien BS, as decades ahead of a pure raw emotionally driven detailed story teller like Em! No way, smh..

  • qtchik99

    sorry but i just looked him up and eminem is ten times better looking and sounds so much better rapping

    eminem is a lot funnier than his stuff that step father fuckery wasnt funny it was just depressing

  • Olive Branch

    EL-P – 7,700 Years To Date was funnier than Linda Tripp in my opinion.

  • Lilly Russell

    Go To Sleep Ben & Ja Diss Track – Shady

    I ain’t gonna eat, I ain’t gonna sleep
    Ain’t gonna breathe, til I see, what I wanna see
    And what I wanna see, is you go to sleep, in the dirt
    Permanently, you just being hurt, this ain’t gonna work
    For me, it just wouldn’t be, sufficient enough
    Cuz we, are just gonna be, enemies
    As long as we breathe, I don’t ever see, either of us coming to terms, where we can agree
    There ain’t gonna be, no reason speakin wit me
    You speak on my seed, then me no speakin Englais!
    So we gonna beef, and keep on beefin, unless
    You’re gonna agree to meet with me in the flesh
    And settle this face to face, and you’re gonna see
    A demon unleashed in me, that you’ve never seen
    And you’re gonna see, this gangsta pee on himself
    I see you D-12, and thanks, but me need no help
    Me do this one all by my lonely, I don’t need fifteen of my homies!
    When I see you, I’m seeing you, me and you only
    We never met, but best believe you gon’ know me
    And I’m this close, to seein you exposed as phony
    Come on, bitch, show me, pick me up, throw me
    Lift me up, hold me,
    just like you told me You was gonna do,
    that’s what I thought, you’re pitiful
    I’m rid of you, all you, Ja, you’ll get it too!

    Can a bitch

    Now once upon a time not long ago
    There was a little rapper about to blow
    But his album came and it was not good
    I think it went lead or double copper wood
    So the silly little fans they were mislead
    By a nerdy internet computer hip-hop head
    “Me and you, ‘Clef, we’re gonna make some cash
    Grab the silver paint and let’s paint my ass”
    Hey mister, would ya care to bare witness to
    The ass-whippin’ I’m about to administer
    To this ass-kissin’ little vaginal blister
    Stanabis, little Marshall Mathers’ sister
    And in this corner, we have the mister
    Not havin’ it, it’s the mad sinister
    Dr. Evil with his bag of tricks for
    this little antagonist faggot dick-suckin’
    Ex-LL Cool J fan from Windsor
    I’m ’bout to murder little Kenny fag Keniff-sta
    You bastard I ain’t wanna have to diss ya
    Canibus, where the fuck you at? I miss ya!

    Lyrics of straight up raw emotion will murder any of this convoluted enlightened underground crap any day!!

  • Deirin Darren

    EL-P has had a harder time in the game than Eminem, I would never question that mans credibility. I bet Eminem would like El-P albums. They should do a track together.

    qtchick El-P wasn’t trying to be humorous in Step Father Factory, it was a personal song close to his heart.

  • satin sheet spyz

    that wasnt bad Lily but i wouldnt put those lyrics to ja and benzino against those two el-p tracks, right now you are losing respect amongst your own peers

  • qtchik99

    oh lol i just read its about him not having a father sorry but still i prefer a rap song that i can sing a long to than indie production i like that eminem has easier words and rhymes so i can listen and sing along

  • Sing for the Moment

    reading the comments and lyrics – with simple rhyme schemes, media push, a corrupt rating scale, lack of knowledge by fans, no respect for unknowns, we gave lacee this entire battle wrapped up in a bow I hate that with like 100 comments of hatred against her, myself included, i realize now we actually proved all her points…fuck

  • ryzin starr

    i never said i beat lacee at anything i was just really ending the feud all together

    xxl is notorious for liking em so why come on here and start trouble for em fans? she can win the debate idc at the end of the day watch this album get xxl and her buy the magazine and get pissed

  • Lily Russell

    Satin – Those soft ass diss lyrics I posted are light years ahead of that El-p garbage! That shit has no impact cause it’s convoluted by the guys fuking ego trying to appear highly artistic! Dude Em’s got diss tracks coming out the ass! AND THEY MAKE SENSE, AND THEY PAINT A PICTURE OF HUMILIATION!

    Can a bitch 2nd half

    So in two seconds flat Dre’s at my crib
    The funny thing is we both know where this kid lives
    And neither one of us have Canadian citizenship
    Shit. Oh Dre, wait a mintue that’s it
    All we gotta do is use a bit of turbo boost
    We can fly over the border “Let’s go” [WOOSH!]
    So we’re off to Toronto and we’re gainin’ speed
    [BOOSH!] (What was that? Oh) Jermaine Dupri
    Fuck It, keep goin’ no time to waste
    Wait, backup hit him one more time in case
    Okay .. fuck now he’s draggin’ under the car
    Oh well, only 30 more thousand miles
    Meanwhile me and Dre are tryin’ to conversate
    Just tryin’ to find a reason for the constant hate
    And tryin’ to figure out what happened to ‘Germaine Propaine’
    “He couldn’t have fell off that hard” Ain’t no way
    “What happened to the way you was rappin’ when you was scandalous
    That Canibus turned into a television evangelist”
    Plus he raps with his regular voice [BOOSH! BOOSH!]
    [BOOSH! BOOSH!] (What was that?) Pet Shop Boys
    So we pull up to the bridge where he last was spotted
    His corpse was still movin’ but his ass was rotted
    He kinda smelled a little like Courtney Love
    I figure if I stick him with a fork he’s done
    So I stabbed him twice, kept jabbin’, Christ
    He won’t die, this guy’s like a battered wife
    He’s like Kim, he keeps comin’ back for more
    But he won’t fight back I cracked his jaw
    Hold up, ‘Bis quit foldin’ up!
    Punch me in the chest! Make my shoulders touch!
    Do somethin’! At least one punchline
    C’mon till the meter reads 9-9-9-
    ty-nine percent of my fans are blonde
    ‘Bis c’mon answer me man respond!
    Tell me ’bout the sun rain moon and stars
    Intergalatical metaphors from Mars!
    Raw to the floor, raw like Reservoir Dogs
    Bite another line from Redman’s song!
    Suddenly the stub from a dead man’s arm
    From a midget reaches out from under the car
    It’s JD, this motherfucker won’t die neither
    Dre starts sprayin’ him with cans of ether
    We stomped the bitch and then stopmed the bitch again
    (Compton!) Detroit bitch! Talk some shit again!
    Stomp him! (switch feet) Stomp him! (switch again!)
    Dre alright he’s dead dog, quit kickin him!
    I think Stanabis jumped off the bridge again (Damn)
    He disappeared yo he’s gone he did it again

    [Chorus]
    Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
    Where for art thou Can-i-bitch?
    Please tell me what happened with
    That style that you were rappin’ with
    Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
    Are you from Los Angeles
    New York or just a janitor
    From Canada? Oh Can-i-bitch

  • T,I,P.

    “Bis c’mon answer me man respond!
    Tell me ’bout the sun rain moon and stars
    Intergalatical metaphors from Mars!
    Raw to the floor, raw like Reservoir Dogs
    Bite another line from Redman’s song!”

    Fuk I forgot about that line and i spit fuking Dr. Pepper on my keyboard! Em murdered that whole El-p track with that one diss! You could get your head blown for saying shit like that, and only he could get away it..

    • Anonymous

      its not a plus to constantly argue that not understanding anything makes you qualified to judge anything lol

  • KLETEWOOD

    canibitch wasnt that good people i wouldnt use that to back up shady i just played the song and it sounded like a little kid beat and voice

    • Lily Russell

      dude he’s got a million of them it takes awhile to go through them all, as I get to em I’m posting them.. All EL-p’s look just like this one!

  • satin sheet spyz

    i would strongly disagree with you on this one lily

    i also would make the point that the minute someone tries to make an abstract or intellectual statement that not everyone would get you go at is as moronic when some of eminems, yes im saying it, some of eminems stuff is 2nd grade banter

    aesop rock you could convince me as maybe pushing the abstract button too much but even he has confessed its abstract acid rap more than hip hop

    el-p is a very serious writer and respected by almost everyone who knows him, and the fact that you are going at him for no reason right now but because someone mentioned him as good is major hate

    we all love eminem but you are on his dick something major lily

    • Anonymous

      uh pardon me, if I may interject in this. But this 2nd grade banter, you speak of, it can be quite humiliating and degrading to a brother’s street credibility. When this was released it was taken very seriously. This is real life shit he was throwing at them here, he was writing this so you could sit around and study it later. It was beef. Proof, Pac, Jam Master, Big L, etc.. were all blown away for shit less than this.. Remember where the people who are on sending and receiving end of this live, before you criticize. Canabis sure as hell didn’t take this lightly. His lyrics did exactly what they were suppose to do, stir up shit..

      Now EL-p’s lyrics did not! Their tape did, therefore making Em’s 2nd grade banter more effective, which is the point, to be effective, correct?

      • pardon huh?? lol

        canibitch is virtually unknown by even his fans this person is funny

        this was taken seriously?? nobody has heard of it!!! lol give it up man

        • DarrellC.

          Yo pardon, How could you have not heard of it??? Where the fuck were you?? Remember Bus did that “2nd grade banter” Spit about Em song Stan?? It was called something like, You didn’t Care.. This was Eminem & Dre’s response and it ended the fight… everyone knows this jam.. You are even more funny for calling someone funny, when your point is wrong and lame.

  • T.I.P.

    I think Lily Russell doesn’t understand that the Underground is the equivalent of the Elitist University scholar’s, that sit high on their educated thrown looking down on the rest of us.. No one takes any of what they say seriously. Occasionally one will break out, and get some recognition, like Nas. But also like Nas their rarely achieve the levels of success as Jay-z and Em because their writings still tend to reek so much of Artistic Elitism, that it lacks the emotion powerful enough to move people. Which is the purpose of telling a story. and rather than lookin at the reasons for their own inability to move people and draw them in, and then make changes and grow, they’d rather sit around and blame the media and look down on the rest as ignorant sheep.. Just ignore Lacee, and those people agreeing with her, they aren’t saying anything of any significance, homies on your side won this debate yesterday. Em’s not getting his XXL because of favoritism, everyone except these few elitist’s know, he deserves it and were glad for him.. So you guys chill.. unless you just want to over-kill her, which I have no objections to, could be funny to watch..

  • SWORDZ

    everyone lets have the nobel prize in literature judged by second graders, thank you tip, slam dunk point

  • ryzin starr

    eminem xxl lets leave it at that

    but i think everyone but 1-2 people conceded to lacee ages ago i dont even know why you people keep bringing her up i think you all really want to go down on that or something

    (if youre hot lacee ill look pass your bad taste and music and might go there to)

  • qtchik99

    ill take lily then 8)

  • Sing for the Moment

    i dont know how legal it would be for any of us to watch that…especially if your 99 is for date of birth

    lily id imagine to be 15ish and jailbait as well?

  • Lilly Russell

    I’m 21, here these better for you?? Meet your snooty approval? Your Boy El-p will never in this life be spittin fire diss tracks like this.. 3rd verse coming up

    Seduction

    I feel like I’m morphin, into something that’s so incredible that I’m dwarfin all competitors.
    Better get your girlfriend in check.
    It’s psychological warfare. Endorphin’s I affect.
    His self esteem shatters his dialect. Comes blastin out your deck, “she love’s me”.
    Such passion you’d expect this sort of reaction from her.
    Yet, you strong arm. You’re fucken corny. You try to turn your charm on. Cuz you just think your bishop, the Don Juan.
    But if you think that your fucken with me, homie your on one.
    I’m cockin my head back like “hey lover, come on son. She’s on my johnson.
    She brings my name up constant.” Your boys are like, “She’s fucken wit dude. She wants him.”
    Oh boy you better get a clue, she’s on my dick cuz I spit better than you.
    What you expect her to do?
    How you expect her to act in the sack
    when she’s closing her eyes, fantasizing of digger her nails in my back to this track.

    Seduction, seduce
    Ain’t nobody who’s as good at what I do
    Cause one minute she loves you, the next she don’t
    She’s been stolen from you
    Seduction, seduce
    Ain’t nobody who’s as good at what I do
    Cause one minute she loves you, the next she don’t
    She’s been stolen from you

    She sitting there gettin liquored up at the bar.
    She say’s it’s quicker to count the things that ain’t wrong with you than to count the things that are.
    There’s a seven disc cd changer in her car, and I’m in every single slot, and you’re not. Aww.
    I’m the logo on the dallas cowboy helmet.
    The star, and I’m not about to and just keep rhymin one syllable. Aww.
    Switch it up, and watch them haters not give it up cuz ya just not good enough.
    Well I’m not giving up til I get my respect, and I wont stop til I get enough,
    cuz I’m not livin up to my own expectations. Aww.
    That hater alarm is soundin off, that Obama took the bomb from my name. Aww.
    So quit cryin that I took your dame, homie she’s my dame. Aww.
    You sadly mistakin if you thinkin that I’m not on my game, boy.
    And thangs just ain’t been the same since the day that I came forth.
    You wear your heart on your sleeve. I sport that white tank boy.
    But you got a hard on for me. What you hollerin my name for.
    It’s your bitch on my dick. Ain’t my dang fault. Man, I can’t call it.

    Seduction, seduce
    Ain’t nobody who’s as good at what I do
    Cause one minute she loves you, the next she don’t
    She’s been stolen from you
    Seduction, seduce
    Ain’t nobody who’s as good at what I do
    Cause one minute she loves you, the next she don’t
    She’s been stolen from you

    It’s like I’m playing lyrical tug of war with your ear. You hear it girl, come here.
    Put your ear up to the speaker, dear, while I freak this world premier. Seducin her.
    Loosin her up with a little freestyle. By the way, am I losing you? Am I makin you look bad?
    Well I got news for ya, homie, ya losin her. Oh wait, she don’t like when I spit it fast.
    Am I trying to show her how? Let me slow it down some. It’s still gonna be a blow out.
    You’re gonna wanna throw out your whole album.
    Might mist through the shit, and try to salvage something to see if you can save any of it,
    punk but none of it’s fucken with me. Prick, you really feeling that bullshit?
    You think you killin them syllibals. Quit playing. These beats ain’t nothin to fool with.
    They call me Fire Marshall. I shut the shit down.
    Your entire arsenal is not enough to fuck with one round.
    I am also the opposite of wht you are like. You are microcosm of what the fuck I am on the mike.
    I am awesome and you are just aww struck. She’s love stricken.
    She’s got her jaw stuck, from sucken my dick. Aww Fuck.

    So don’t you seduce. Ain’t nobody holds a scoop at what I do.
    Cuz one minute she wants you, the next she don’t. She’s been stolen from you.
    So don’t you seduce at what I do. Cuz one minute she wants you, the next she don’t.
    She’s been stolen from you..

    • Lily Russell

      Correction : “I’m cockin my head back like Ed Lover, “come on son”. lol!

    • Anonymous

      “Your entire arsenal is not enough to fuck with one round.
      I am also the opposite of what you are like. You are microcosm of what the fuck I am on the mike.
      I am awesome and you are just aww struck. She’s love stricken.
      She’s got her jaw stuck, from sucken my dick. Aww Fuck.”

      Oh my fuckin god! I HAVEN’T HEARD THIS YET!! THIS FUCKING ALBUM IS GONNA BE SOO AWESOME!!
      Fuck stop posting the lyrics! It’s too hard to read them an not wanna download it!!

      BUT IT’S ABOUT TIME!! THIS IS THIS SICKEST DISS BAR’S EVER! EM JUST SHUT EVERYONE DOWN POSTING THESE!! Fuck that’s sick!

    • DarrellC.

      Lily is he spittin this slow or fast? It feels low paced.. But these are really long bars!

      shit this is sick! the other post is mine too I forgot to type my info..

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    When i dropped that anoynmous comment earlier compared all three albums and verses it was to compare each rapper early in their careers. you dn’t want me to get more songs off reasonable doubt, illmatic and ems’ debut. yall are even like u should get something better. okay, here is the em verse u chooose

    Life.. by Marshall Mathers
    What is life?
    Life is like a big obstacle
    put in front of your optical to slow you down
    And everytime you think you gotten past it
    it’s gonna come back around and tackle you to the damn ground
    What are friends?
    Friends are people that you think are your friends
    But they really your enemies, with secret indentities
    and disguises, to hide they true colors
    So just when you think you close enough to be brothers
    they wanna come back and cut your throat when you ain’t lookin
    What is money?
    Money is what makes a man act funny
    Money is the root of all evil
    Money’ll make them same friends come back around
    swearing that they was always down
    What is life?
    I’m tired of life
    I’m tired of backstabbing ass snakes with friendly grins
    I’m tired of committing so many sins
    Tired of always giving in when this bottle of Henny wins
    Tired of never having any ends
    Tired of having skinny friends hooked on crack and mini-thins
    I’m tired of this DJ playing YOUR shit when he spins
    Tired of not having a deal
    Tired of having to deal with the bullshit without grabbing the steel
    Tired of drowning in my sorrow
    Tired of having to borrow a dollar for gas to start my Monte Carlo
    I’m tired of motherfuckers spraying shit and dartin off
    I’m tired of jobs startin off at five fifty an hour
    then this boss wanders why I’m smartin off
    I’m tired of being fired everytime I fart and cough
    Tired of having to work as a gas station clerk
    for this jerk breathing down my neck driving me bezerk
    I’m tired of using plastic silverware
    Tired of working in Building Square
    Tired of not being a millionaire

    LoL. gotta love the rhyme scheme. the cadence and repetition in this joint but come on, look at what he’s saying.

    Now check nas’s verse. Look at what he’s saying and still he has the same lyrical potency. But look at how he wills the rhyme and crafts it.

    I woke up early on my born day, I’m twenty years of blessing
    The essence of adolescent leaves my body now I’m fresh in
    My physical frame is celebrated cause I made it
    One quarter through life some God-ly like thing created
    Got rhymes 365 days annual plus some
    Load up the mic and bust one, cuss while I puffs from
    my skull cause it’s pain in my brain vein money maintain
    Don’t go against the grain simple and plain
    When I was young at this I used to do my thing hard
    Robbin foreigners take they wallets they jewels and rip they green cards
    Dipped to the projects flashin my quick cash
    and got my first piece of ass smokin blunts with hash
    Now it’s all about cash in abundance, niggaz I used to run with
    is rich or doin years in the hundreds
    I switched my motto — instead of sayin fuck tomorrow
    That buck that bought a bottle could’ve struck the lotto
    Once I stood on the block, loose cracks produce stacks
    I cooked up and cut small pieces to get my loot back
    Time is Illmatic keep static like wool fabric
    Pack a four-matic that crack your whole cabbage

    here is jayz. same as all three but jayz is from first person. Again, he adds another element to his lyrical skills.

    I sold it all from crack to o-pium, in third person
    I don’t wanna see em, so I’m rehearsin
    with my peoples high to GM, from a remote lo-cation
    in the BM, scopin the whole situation like, “Dayamm!”
    Metamorphic, as the dope turns to cre-am
    but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
    It’s difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
    are half closed, I put the key in
    Pulled off slow, hopin my people flee-in
    Chink tried to knock the only link that tied me in
    Coppers was watchin us through nighttime binoculars
    This time they got us on tape, exchangin dope for dollars
    Make me wanna, holler back at the crib in the sauna
    Prayin my people bailed out like Time/Warner
    Awaitin call, from his kin not the coroner
    Phone in my hand, nervous confined to a corner
    Beads of sweat second thoughts on my mind
    How can I ease the stress and learn to live with these regrets
    This time… stress… givin this shit up… fuck

    I agree, its hard to say who is a best. However, if you apply a forumla to anything, you can get a best at anything. Formula is B(best equals)=L(lyrics)*F(flows)*(charisma/swag)*S(storytelling/visuals)*N(numbers/sales)*B(Buisness moves)*I(impact)/F(fan support)+C(content)

    In addition, listen to not afraid…the song describes just how afraid EM is. And you stans gonna hold his hand and go down with the ship? where i’m from cryin about ur short commings is an excuse.

    Also, xxl benfits from saying Em is the greatest, why? his fans buy. they also support…GUCCI. L.O.L. :)

    • T.I.P.

      Apply that formula you just made up to lyrics lil just posted above, or on Fire, and Stay Wide Awake. To anything off Nas’s last 2 album’s.

      You don’t deserve the air your breathing, if you can’t look at the creative lyricism and crafting displayed on Relapse and Recovery and come to the conclusion that Sobriety has elevated this mans game, beyond what we’ve seen from Nas and Jay-z. period

  • Lily Russell

    But dude, did you miss what we are saying?? your comparing early career’s and what we’re saying is that today, TODAY Em is on another level from everyone else in the game! That’s why he deserves the XXL, And these snoot hoes are trying to say otherwise. Sorry but Nas HAS NO GAME today!

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    smh. Em is fizzling. in comparison to nas, em is fallin off. nas “N” album is way more lyrical. he used an analogy of 911 to diss 50 cent on a subliminal but the subject matter was off.

    As for jay. he is gonna win album of the year at the grammy. bp3 murks relapse.

    in fact,
    Eh yo
    Queens get the money
    Niggas still screaming
    Paper chasing
    Where presidential candidates is planning wars with other nations
    Over steak with Masons
    Pregnant teens give birth to intelligent gangsters
    Their daddy’s faceless
    Play this, by your stomach
    Let my words massage it and rub it
    I’ll be his daddy if there’s nobody there to love it
    Tell him his name’s Nasir
    Tell him how he got here
    Mama was just having fun with someone above her years
    Niggas is still hating
    Talking that Nas done fell off with rhyming
    He’d rather floss with diamonds
    They pray “please God let him spit that Uzi in the army linen
    That shorty doo-wop rolling oo-wop in the park reclining”
    Take 27 emcee’s put them in a line and they’re out of alignment
    my assignment since he said retirement
    hiding behind 8 Mile and The Chronic
    Gets rich but dies rhyming
    This is hot science
    Now add 23 more from Queens to B-more
    I’ve over their heads
    Like a bulimic on a seesaw
    Now that’s 50 porch monkeys ate up at the same time
    Nasty Nasdaq
    Y’all going to bow holmes, it’s Dow Jones
    .80 cal chrome
    Needed time alone to zone
    The mack left his iPhone and his 9 at home
    My queen used the milkshake to bring y’all to my slaughter houses
    I do this for the group home kids in boarding houses
    This is that nigga shit that’s on the album
    For the niggas inside the chalk line in 40 houses
    Bring back Arsenio
    Hip-hop was aborted
    So Nas breathes life, back into the embryo
    Let us make man in our image
    Spit it, I’m Huey P in Louis V throwing Molotov for Emmit
    You aint as hot as I is
    All of these fake prophets are not messiahs
    You don’t know how high the sky is
    The square milage of Earth, or what pi is
    I’m the shaky hand that touched Geogre Foreman in Zaire
    The same hand that punched down devils that brought down the towers

    Check out how nas shouts out your boy. nas is still a dope mc but he doesn’t have to rhyme for money or respect now. Untitled was a dope ablum but too poltical. still not on some “i’m not afraid” feel sorry for me crap.

    jayz

    Hov’s a Blackberry Bold,
    Shawty is a Sidekick,
    She used to have a man,
    I used to have a side chick,
    Shawty got wind I had to blow the chick off,
    got rid of him they both took the sh-t hard,
    shawty play the piano me I play the white keys,
    shawty from the south, oh, i think she like me,
    Shawty like Pac, me Big Poppa,
    screaming hit em up, I’m screaming who shot ya,
    I’m on that red wine, shawty like white,
    same sh-t different toilet,
    we both getting nice,
    me I’m from the apple which means I’m the Mac,
    She’s a PC, she lives in my lap

    simple and potent. check the world play and revelance

    You can try and read my lyrics off of this paper before I lay ‘em
    But you won’t take the sting out these words before I say ‘em
    Cause ain’t no way I’mma let you stop me from causing mayhem
    When I say I’mma do something I do it, I don’t give a damn
    What you think, I’m doin’ this for me, so fuck the world
    Feed it beans, it’s gassed up if it thinks it’s stopping me
    I’mma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly
    And all those who look down on me I’m tearing down your balcony
    No if’s, and’s, or but’s don’t try to ask him why or how can he
    From Infinite down to the last Relapse album he’s still shit
    and whether he’s on salary or paid hourly
    Until he bows out or he shits his bowels out of him
    Whichever comes first, for better or worse
    He’s married to the game, like a “fuck you” for Christmas
    His gift is a curse, forget the earth he’s got the urge
    To pull his dick from the dirt and fuck the whole universe

    em’s verse
    yeah, he’s afraid.

    i mean i’m a em fan just dislike his music. more importantly, i love his fans and their blind love.

    • Lily Russell

      R you fuckin on crack guy?? Why do you keep trying to hold up the weakest songs on Em’s albums. Not Afraid is a fuking radio track, is that the only song you know. Hold that weak ass shit up you posted from Nas and Jay’z to On fire or Cold Wind Blows, or Here we Go ass! Fuck Seduction blows that shit away. Go listen to how he says those last lines on that track!

      Do you even understand what a DISS track is?? I have to be able to understand and relate to the shit for it to diss me!! Do You not get that. Nas is still writing has no emotional impact what so ever, cause it convoluted with artistic shit thats tryin too damn hard!

      Dude – “They pray “please God let him spit that Uzi in the army linen”

      Wha?? that could have been SO Dope if he’d have chosen ANYTHING but “Army Linen” Army linen?? Yeah thats what I’m gonna be praying! There’s some humiliating shit! And the whole thing is like that! You really do not understand Rap at all do you..

      Sorry but I know what’s on Jay-z and Nas’s albums not only does Seduction and But their shit can’t touch Cold wind blows! Nor can it touch On Fire and Here We Go and Won’t Back Down!

    • DarrellC

      Hi. I’m not a blind follower of anyone, I just love sick lyrics. And what you posted of Nas is not good lyrics from him. Jay’s is better. Diss tracks are just part of battle, if Nas and Jay-z rapped that, and Em rapped Seduction. Em would win. His is way more embarrassing, if that happened in front your homies than what Nas and Jayz talking about. Not only that Em puts it so crudely and rude.

      “How you expect her to act in the sack
      when she’s closing her eyes, fantasizing of digger her nails in my back to this track”

      You can’t help but be like “aww he fuking bitch slapped you (whoever)!”

      “She say’s it’s quicker to count the things that ain’t wrong with you than to count the things that are.
      There’s a seven disc cd changer in her car, and I’m in every single slot, and you’re not.”

      THAT IS like sooo rude, your woman gotta another mans shit in her 7 disc CD player! I’d fuking hit Em ass he said that to me, it would be on!

      “Let me slow it down some. It’s still gonna be a blow out.
      You’re gonna wanna throw out your whole album.
      Rummage through the shit, and try to salvage something to see if you can save any of it,
      punk but none of it’s fucken with me. Prick, you really feeling that bullshit?
      You think you killin them syllables. Quit playing. These beats ain’t nothin to fool with.
      They call me Fire Marshall. I shut the shit down.
      Your entire arsenal is not enough to fuck with one round.
      I am also the opposite of what you are like. You are microcosm of what the fuck I am on the mike.
      I am awesome and you are just aww struck. She’s love stricken.
      She’s got her jaw stuck, from sucken my dick. Aww Fuck.”

      Dat’s HARDcore disses! I’d lose it on him if he was talking about me and my woman like that. I’ve never heard a diss track put like that before! It’s Ridiculous! Do you get what I mean? that’s just how it works. Eminem really is better making people feel. And he doesn’t have to do all this stuff you and lily, slvrshot been talking about, I really dig that about him. And believe me I wish that woulda came from J-z! He’s my god, cuz my flow fits him better. But from lyrics on Recovery that I keep reading, being posted on the the rag boards Em took this game! I am very happy for Em. also! I his return to the top encourages him to stay sober too! Jay will take it next year!

      I have to go with Lily, outta Jay and EM, Takes it. Going after your manhood/ woman or skills will always trump. Em put them both together in the sickest way. I just aint feeling what Nas saying, allot of that stuff in Nas’s is just wack..

      • Slvrshot

        I’ve been playing Seduction over and over. That track is just sick. Now it seems I am having a hard time pointing to the best track on this album. Theres like 10 that could be the best. This Recovery is truly Eminems best work, its mindblowing. And you’re right if someone got dissed by that, I’d just hope they dropped the mic. Eminem basically seduces and subliminally fucks your girl.

        “I am awesome and you are just aww struck. She’s love stricken.
        She’s got her jaw stuck, from sucken my dick. Aww Fuck.” – I’d just quit if I heard that last bit.

        • DarrellC

          It finished downloading last night! Couldn’t wait any longer! It’s really wild the first time I ran threw it, It’s like I knew I loved it, cause I was just like DAYUM!! Em Goes HARD HARD on these beats, and what I could grasp the first time around from the lyrics was Insane! But some of the beats seemed like aliens, til the second time through. I really payed attention just to the beats and not Em. And fucking shit man this album cranks!! The beats are Serious Shit! for real! They definitely up there with Dre’s! This album is SICK SICK SICK! Yeah Seduction is AWESOME!! Man the way he says that shit in that song, if did that on the Mic, What the hell you gonna say back? Talk about his mom? LOL! and Fuck my girl! I don’t even play like that, I aint gay but fuck he had me seduced! Don’t ask me to pick a favorite either! I mean if I had to it would be the most real tracks on there, about Proof. But it’s hard to pick just one. I don’t even know why the shit we even debating this! BAD ASS, & Brilliant!!!

    • BryceE

      Um Em’s rhyme’s in that are WAY better than Jay’s. Not only is Jay not saying anything, Em’s wordplay has more depth than Jay’z. LOL

      Using the lyrics you posted

      “He’s married to the game, like a “fuck you” for Christmas, His gift is a curse,”

      get it? his gift of rhyming/ spitting is like getting a “fuck you” as a Christmas present. It’s a curse.

      “me I’m from the apple which means I’m the Mac,She’s a PC, she lives in my lap

      Are you seriously going to try to say Jay’s has more depth and wit than Em’s? You must be getting fooled by jay’s structure, cause his word play is not only weak, but it’s not clever at all, it’s corny.

      You totally shot your self in the foot! Those not afraid lyrics pisses all over Jay.

      He aint winning the grammy.

  • Em deserves an M

    lily you have no idea what you are talking about

    hip hop is for all colors, but was created for hood struggle, saying eminem talking about crazy shit and dick jokes compare to Nas’s empowerment of black people is beyond insulting and ridiculous

    nas’s ether meant something and heralded as one of the best diss tracks, tupacs hitem up as well, they meant something, canibitch was never replied to and never even played eminem never faced a serious opponent in a rap battle, hes a dane cook appealing to masses his lyrics are very childish and he puts no thought beyond straight forward lyrics that bore anyone out of college id rather listen to el-p because from your own regard and message “he tells more stories” he tells more important stories of politics, single motherhood being one of the top problems in america, end world situations and such, he does this using more elaborate literature yes but I like to reflect and think while listening or learning, eminem talks about murdering his wife and dicks and fucking and asses and peepees just silly kid shit that you people love so be it but Nas will always be more important to hip hop and always be considered a more legitimate mc.

    this album deserves an M
    yes you are ready with more lyrics that will bore the shit out of me and points that will just be used against you but I said it

    This cds message, lyrics, originality, gusto, play ability whatever you want to add in is very mediocre and deserves an M

    • DerrellC

      Are you trying to say that the “stories of politics, single motherhood” and “end world situations” Are more important than the detailed portraits of Overcoming addiction, grieving the murder of someone close to you, expressing fears and pain in relationships, and admitting his struggle with evny of his peers, low self esteem and feeling alone, while he at the lowest points of his addiction, (never been done before) and his expressing remorse and struggles with Domestic Violence, as Deshawna discusses above?? (Which is a first) Domestic Violence is the number 1 crime committed in America lady?

      I think what lily is saying is true. Were Nas to ever decide to write a rap about those issues Eminem would still touch more people because more people can understand what he’s saying. They don’t have to be philosophers like Nas to understand it. The politics and parenting issues you bring up is a very good example. Eminem is no stranger to discussing politics, persecution, racism, empowerment, rising above from nothing, and parenting. ALL of his albums include issues of importance, Especially The Eminem Show is nothing but these issues, and MMLP and the 8 Mile soundtrack is laced with issues. Young Adults have learned more about parental responsibility from Eminem than they ever have from Nas. With just a few bars in The Way I Am, Eminem eloquently schooled a whole generation in parental responsibility. Also being persecuted for creative self expression, censorship, the unnecessary war for oil in Iraq. He’s written songs about about not giving up on your hopes and dreams etc.. Are you prepared to degrade and deny him his social contributions? Yeah he throws in some Much needed comedic relief and battling in between. Nas could learn a thing or two about that from Eminem. He’s in much need of a funny bone. I think your just as blind as you claim Eminem’s fans are. cause ALL you choose to see in Eminem’s work is the entertainment subject matters. Saying Nas is more important to Hip Hop than Eminem is just as ridiculous, Perhaps they’re equally as important.

      But if I had to choose only one, I’d pick Eminem and Jay-z because when it does comes to issues of importance, they know how to speak to a broader audience eloquently in terms they can understand. That makes them better Lyricist than Nas in my book.

      • /\/athan

        Overcoming addiction, grieving the murder of someone close to you, expressing fears and pain in relationships, and admitting his struggle with evny of his peers, low self esteem and feeling alone, while he at the lowest points of his addiction

        Eminem is very shallow and isn’t “teaching” but “venting”

        You try harder then that lily to put Em out there but you are also reaching pretty far right now defending Eminems comedy and rare “portraits of wisdom” (get outta here man :)) to someone like Nas who is just one mention

        you have a defense and point for everything eminem but none for the truth being told beautifully

        And guess what I AM AN EMINEM FAN TOO so stfu

        • DerrellC

          Well here’s what I do know, my mom is a recovery addict. In addition to working on herself using AA’s 12 steps, she goes to meetings where she “vent’s” about what her life was like, what happened, and what her life is like now, in all aspects of her life. That’s how she stays healthy, mentally and emotionally. By doing that she also helps other people who are going through something similar. That’s how she gives back..

          I got even more excuses for Jay-z haters! You wanna start in on him?? Eminem and Jay are the best in the game. Both of them are better than NAS!

          Nas is extremely talented and could be dope, if he got off his high horse, but he continues to muddy his messages and stories in, “hyper lyricism”, as someone put it above. No doubt if Nas decides to quit showing off he’d be huge, and much useful.. Til then he’s useless, cause hardly anyone listens to him, because hardly anyone understands him. His record sales speak for him.

          You almost got me thinking, you are Nas, or someone very close to him, by the way you are defending him… hmmm

          “And guess what I AM AN EMINEM FAN TOO so stfu”

          Who do you think you are fooling? lol People who are fans of someone don’t speak about them the way you do!
          “Rare” portraits of wisdom. Just saying that, it is extremely obvious you do not listen to Eminem! Your are pretending to be a FAN so you can Appear to be objective! That was you above, that was saying he’s overrated and a sell out to pop also wasn’t it? We weren’t born yesterday. Stop lyin! Get the fuck out of here!

  • ryzin starr

    listen my brotha, i own every eminem cd, soundtrack, and bootleg and like maybe one nas cd, but if you read my comments you know i would NEVER question nas’s importance to hip hop or his mcing abilities, and ive listened to coflo since back in the day and would never sleep on el-p

    stop getting militant on us i love eminem and dane cook but i know what they are there for, strictly entertainment, i never once tried saying eminem was as smart as others because i know who they are and what they stand for and he makes me laugh a lot and not think of the world around me which sucks for me right now but i wont get into that. dane cook may rehash dirty jokes and make it on looks and charisma but he makes me laugh, i listen to old cosby comedy routines and i realize they are more thought out but they just dont do it for me so of course id rate him higher as well as eminem over nas simply because id rather listen to it, it rather listen to something catchy from eminem and im not apologizing for that and im not bowing down to your comment because i know exactly what you are saying and its true so keep it real and lets not divide

    • mp7

      i’m a fan of jay z, nas, and eminem and i wouldn’t organize a best list hell i’m not sure those three would even be in a top 3 list if i was forced to make one from preference

      i will say this, from people ive met in life to reading through this thread

      i would definitely want to hang out with a nas fan first, em fan last, if that makes sense to everyone

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    lilly what i did was purposely use verses with the same subject matter. the first group of verses were each rappers debut. there first singles. you don’t want me to get jay’z best verse or nas’s best verse and compare it to ems.

    I don’t listen to music and skip through it, i annalyze all music and many other forms of art.

    The determing factor is divesity. yes em is a dope mc. Whose buying his music? its makes me wonder how come so many white boys relate to him and support him like he’s strom thurmond, they hold his hand on not afraid; in addition, they believe anything he say. What is em’s best song for the ladies? it was superman love or something like that. em is not good with the ladies. even nas knows how to reach the ladies. but u guys rather support a guy who willing says his stepdad molested him…mmhhmm.

    Club bangers. nas didn’t so much do so good with club bangers. BUT, give it to me, roc boys and etc. do big for jay.

    Anthemns. nas has alot of anthems. em has a lot of anthems jay has a lot. they are equal there.

    the list goes on. i like the guy who says he has all ems albums but one of nas’s. so how can you fully compare. do me a favor. google rakim, kool g rap, kool moe d, krs one, listen to the infamous (thas what em use to do all day everyday) the chronic doggy style google scarface outkast first two albums then listen to nas and jayz catalogue. that’ll give u a more less jaded argument. When you’re done youd realize that em’s contribuition to hip hop is imporant BUT not the most influentital.

    u guys are funny.

    • Lily Russell

      I know what you were doing, There are more songs on recovery with the same subject matter that are stronger than the one you picked. We Are Not Dumb, do us a favor and quit pretending we are. Perhaps THEN someone here might have actually taken into consideration what you have to say.

      • emerald flowsion

        LILY!!! Wow, look back at every argument youve made, you never ONCE critiqued Eminem for ANYTHING wrong, and just viciously went at every credible MC as if nobody belongs on the top ten list but Eminem ten times. CONSIDERATION??? You need it more than anyone on here. Lets hear you or Anthony or Darrell or whoever you want to be next write a critique on Eminem so we can take YOU seriously. Not going at anyone else, just solely Eminem, critique his flaws for us.

        • DarrellC.

          I aint lily, but I want a date with her.
          BTW, Did you just call me a girl? U a fucking cunt!

      • DarrellC.

        Nah.. He lost that consideration the second he said “The determing factor is divesity. yes em is a dope mc. Whose buying his music? its makes me wonder how come so many white boys relate to him and support him like he’s strom thurmond, they hold his hand on not afraid; in addition, they believe anything he say.”

        For some reason I knew racism was the underlying reason to this refusal to recognise this man is at the top. You wanna explain Kanye & Jay-z?? Really who decided this was the determing factor? Are you fucking serious with that bull shit!

        HEY! Now pay attention, cause I’m only gonna say this once, (because I have very little patience for people who do what you are doing.) When a musicians fan base grows to the size of Eminems, Jayz, and Kanye’s it is going to reflect the image of the population. In case you have not noticed, we in the minority! That’s the ONLY reason Em, Jay-z, and Kanye’s fan base are mostly White males! I work at Sun Microsystems in our dept. there are 4 black men, 12 white men, and 2 black women and 5 white women. I just took a poll here 2 white men and 3 white women don’t listen to hip hip, and don’t care for any of the artist’s mentioned. The rest own albums from them all (one black man doesn’t own a Kanye album). Therefore the majority of those artists fans at Sun Micro in our dept are white men. The majority the in country in those artist’s target age range, will be white men! He’s doesn’t lack diversity because he’s a white hip hop artist, he lacks diversity for the ame reason they all do, there isn’t and even mix in the population! But only focus on Eminems because he white and sticks out like a sore thumb!

        2 – The issues Eminem address’s is for a broader audience. Go back up and read what the other Black guy was saying. This is true for myself also. The majority of people don’t have race and hood problems growing up. But they do they have parent issues, school problems, girl/men problems, bully problems, and if your a young adult married couple, you might even have the similar marital problems, or be struggling to make ends meet with a child. So naturally the pool of people who can relate is larger. Therefore his fanbse maybe slightly larger than Kanye and Jay-z, as they’re subject matter is slightly more limited. So the his fanbase may contain a slightly larger percentage of whate males than their. Those are the reasons for the majority of his fanbase being white males! (Though looking at this board I’m thinking that is about to change, but that might just be because women are more willing to participate in online discussions or something.)

        Are you trying to say Jay-z has an even mixture of diversity therefore, that makes him better? Or that his demographic is mostly just black men? You livin on another planet. No that ain’t the determining factor. No you just tryin to find some other reason to deny this man his due, cause you a racist! It the reason hardly anyone listens to Nas either.

        As I stated, you are not a fan, you are racist prick, afraid of having a white man on top.. No one wants to talk to you, you might as well go on with yourself.

        • DarrellC.

          Sorry for the typo’s your existence had me angry,

          Meant to say,
          “It isn’t the reason hardly anyone listens to nas either.”

          Hardly anyone listens to him for the reasons above. He’d be just as useful to Hip Hop and as big, as Jay-z, Kanye and Eminem, if he got off his high horse, and eloquently worded his lyrics into messages people can relate to when hearing them. He can still do his hyper lyricism shit too. Nas is useless. Jay-z and Eminem are better lyricists for that reason as far as I’m concerned.

    • Lily Russell

      “its makes me wonder how come so many white boys relate to him and support him like he’s strom thurmond,”

      Because people like you and the idiots on MTV that laugh because he white, every time someone suggests he’s better than a black man and belongs in the top 5! You make them wanna elevate him even higher! Fuking recognise his level skillz, the brilliance in his albums and his contributions to the scene with out any bias and you’ll see his white fans change the way they stand behind him.. Never the less, My opinion of Nas and El-p remain. their Rap Snobs, and I have little room for them in my life. I HAVE music by Kool Moe Dee, Rakim, Melle, Kool G, Big L, Outkast, Nas, Andre, 2pac, Biggie, diddy, jay-z, Run DMC, The Beastie boys, D12, DMX, Grand Master, NWA, Ice Cude, Ice T, Eazy-E, Even Twista, Can-a-bitch, and Big Pun!And MANY Many more. Im a MAJOR hip hop head. My dad is a composer for film and TV, music is our lively hood. Otherwise I wouldn’t be on a hip hop board mag website, talking to a racist..

      It is interesting you want to focus on Em’s big white fan base, and say nothing about all the white boyz on Jay-z and Kanye’s site that treat them like gods! Ever did a twitter Search for “Kanye” and noticed the majority of people tweeting about him and saying they love him are WHITE! If a black chick hasn’t told you this before now, allow me to be the first. we don’t want your kind in our race or our music..

      • Jose Abrego Galdamez

        Why is Eminem’s racist rap any different than Michael Richard’s racist rant? Michael Richards is laughed at everywhere even after he apologized for his mistake.

        • Lily Russell

          What he insinuated was something different than what your saying, (i think)

          When did Eminem spit a racist rap though?

    • Lily Russell

      “its makes me wonder how come so many white boys relate to him and support him like he’s strom thurmond,”

      Because people like you and the idiots on MTV, that laugh because he’s white, every time someone suggests he’s better than a black man and belongs in the top 5! You make them wanna elevate him even higher! Fuking recognize his level skillz, the brilliance in his albums and his contributions to the scene with out any bias and you’ll see his white fans change the way they stand behind him.. Never the less, My opinion of Nas and El-p remain. their Rap Snobs, and I have little room for them in my life. I HAVE music by Kool Moe Dee, Rakim, Melle, Kool G, Big L, Outkast, Nas, Andre, 2pac, Biggie, diddy, jay-z, Run DMC, The Beastie boys, D12, DMX, Grand Master, NWA, Ice Cude, Ice T, Eazy-E, Even Twista, Can-a-bitch, and Big Pun!And MANY Many more. The first hip hop music I bought was Easy-E’s album, Cause it was so bad (naughty), and my dad said I couldn’t have it! I was around 10, I gave the girl who stayed by my house with me after school, some of my x-mas money to buy it for me. lol I’m a MAJOR hip hop head. My dad is a composer for film and TV, music is our lively hood. Otherwise I wouldn’t be on a hip hop board mag website, talking to a racist.. I don’t need you to school in hip hop history. Even Rakim, and Kool Moe Dee, know where Em’s talent as an MC and Lyricists rank…

      It is interesting you want to focus on Em’s big white fan base, and say nothing about all the white boyz on Jay-z and Kanye’s site that treat them like gods! Ever did a twitter Search for “Kanye” and noticed the majority of people tweeting about him and saying they love him are WHITE! If a black chick hasn’t told you this before now, allow me to be the first. we don’t want your kind in our race or our music..

    • Anonymous

      BTW to answer your question mr racist

      “it was superman love or something like that. em is not good with the ladies. even nas knows how to reach the ladies.”

      Because he chooses not to doesn’t mean he can’t. He raps about real shit and what’s going on in his life and head, and unfortunately his woman hadn’t given him a reason to write a song like that in a long time. Oh but dont ever underestimate Marshall’s ability to talk to them. This should make you happy Once upon a time in his underground days he loved someone.

      “Searching”

      “I’m reminiscing on your tenderness and the snuggling and teasing
      Missing what I remember, kissing and hugging and squeezing
      Bugging and weezing, I’m having trouble when breathing
      It’s even tougher when sleeping
      But there’s a couple of reasons that I’m suffering and grieving
      For loving and leaving, you all I’m thinking of in the evening
      You got my knees buckling and weakening
      Thoughts of nothing but freaking that I’m struggling to keep in
      And interrupt when I’m speaking
      I got some game that I’m preparing to run
      The way your lips sparkle and glare in the sun
      You got your hair in a bun, no matter what you’re wearing you stun
      Cause your comparing to none, I wanna share in the fun
      I feel a passionate lust when I’m imagining just us alone at last with a
      touch
      I see you grasping to trust, but my intentions are good
      The seed is passing in dust
      I’m not asking to rush and answer immediately
      I just wanna be there for you and you to be there for me
      If you agree to repeat after me, I Love You (I love you baby)
      Cause I just need you to see, how much I’m eager to be
      Your man legally wed, your love’s keeping me fed
      This is easily said, so you can lead or be led
      If you care to be down cause ain’t nobody Like you no where to be found”

  • Sing for the Moment

    i’m shaking my head at how stupid eminem fans are, was i sounding like this as a youngin?

    for the em fans debating completely wrong points on the man and sounding so incredibly ignorant

    i listened to the album in a new frame of mind and i would give it an L

  • Lurigancho

    ha ha ha esa la cosa más graciosa de todo el tiempo

    consigue un L hahah

  • ryzin starr

    XXL you mean??

    i will admit to ONE point and one point earlier made a long time ago

    not with this album, cause i think its pretty solid but with his earlier works sounding a little icp-esk and stupid eminem really could have become a joke artist very easily i mean i hate the comparison of vanilla ice all the time because thats been bled dry but vanilla ice had less ridiculous rhymes than em but em was lucky never to dance around or wear ridiculous outfits to look like a tool and had dre by his side in the early days to gain credibility to show what he could do on a mic later on

    give dre his due by the way, he put out snoop and em and em introduced a lot of artists to dre and he gave the greenlight to one 50 cent, dres a smart dude

    • Lily Russell

      Well I agree Ice had a some dope rhymes, but really don’t think his demise was due to his dancing. Dancing didn’t hurt Hammer, I think Ice coulda transitioned from that phase had he not been a fake.. He got busted lying about who he was, where he grew up, etc. Had he not tried to pass himself as something he wasn’t he’d have lasted longer. He was a phony, and large part of rap is being real. This why Em got the 3rd degree about his background from the media when he first arrived on the scene..

      He actually had earned allot of street cred before he met Dre. He and D12 was bringing down the house in Detroit prior to Dre, that’s how he got the meeting with Dre. But I agree had he tried to continue on and make another album without Dre, who knows if and when he’d ever broken out! Dre is the SHIT!

      :))

  • emerald flowsion

    nevermind people opposing, people on derrell and lilys side dont even wanna talk with them anymore lol you two really are the biggest trolls ive ever seen

  • DarrellC.

    Trolls? lol! You just mad cause your racism is showing! And you lost your argument as a result. You threw up all these phony arguments for why this album didn’t deserve an XXL rating, of course they didn’t hold up, because the real reason you don’t want it getting that rating, is you wanna continue to hold the white boy down in this genre. When I called you out by stating the true reasons for his, jay, and kanye’s big White fan base. You couldn’t deny logic! So now we’re the trolls? haha!

    What the fuck part of this statement did you expect Anyone on either side, with a brain, simple knowledge of math, and demographics to agree with or discuss with you??

    “The determing factor is divesity. yes em is a dope mc. Whose buying his music? its makes me wonder how come so many white boys relate to him and support him like he’s strom thurmond,?”

    Just What exactly were you getting at by saying that? And why use Strom Thurmond? huh? Why not use John Lennon? That was fucked up! You just said white boys relate and support him like he’s strom thrumond! HE’S an Ex’ KLAN member! Think about that statement, do you realize what you just insinuated about his fan base is? Are you fucking dumb?

    And Why? Why is diversity the determining factor? Why just point to his? You think the the white man is trying to suppress the black man in hip hop?

    We’re trolls because, your way of thinking was exposed!

  • Tamala

    not gonna lie, that’s why I gave it an L. And that was fo dre, Ri, and Kobe. please aint no niggas support this white guy. I don’t know why white people gotta be up in our business anyway. We can have shit to ourselves, they gotta come try to take over everything we do. I be glad when he’s gone. We aint gonna be lettin another one get where he did, that’s fo sho. Cya White boy!

    • lakerfan

      Hope you die bitch a long miserable death, whore!

  • L

    BTW this isn’t venting, He telling his story.

    Lately, I really feel like I’m rolling for delph, like Philly.
    Feel like I’m losing control of myself, I sincerely,
    apologize if all that I sound like, is I am complaining, but life keeps on complicating
    and I’m debating, on leaving this world this evening,
    even my girls can see I’m grieving,
    I try and hide it, but I can’t
    Why do I act like I’m all high and mighty when inside I’m dying, I am finally realizing, I need
    help
    Can’t do it myself, too weak
    Two weeks I’ve been having ups and downs, going through peaks and valleys
    Dilly-dallying ’round with the idea, of ending this shit right here
    I’m hating my reflection, I walk around the house tryin’ to fight mirrors
    I can’t stand what I look like, here, I look fat But what do I care?
    I could give a fuck, only thing I fear is Hailie
    I’m afraid if I close my eyes then I might see her,

    (Chours)
    I’m going through changes
    I’m going through changes

    I lock myself in the bedroom, bathroom, napping at noon
    Yeah, dad’s in a bad mood, he’s always snapping at you
    Marshall what happened that you,
    can’t stop with these pills, and you’ve fallen off with your skills and your own fans are laughing at you
    It’s become a problem you’re too pussy to tackle.
    Get up, be a man, stand, a real man would of had this shit handled
    Know you just had your heart ripped out and crushed,
    They say Proof just flipped out, homie just whipped out and bust,
    nah… It isn’t like dudey to do that, he wouldn’t fuckin shoot at, Nobody, He’d Fight First!
    But dwelling on it only makes the night worse
    Now I’m popping Vics, Percs and methadone pills, “Yeah Em, tight verse, you killed it”
    Fuckin’ drug dealers hang around me like yes-men, and they gonna do whatever I says when, I says it
    It’s in their best interest to protect their investment,
    And I just lost my fucking best friend, so fuck it I guess then…shit

    My friends can’t understand this new me,
    that’s understandable, man, but think how bananas you’d be,
    you’d be an animal too,
    if you were trapped in this fame and caged in it like a zoo, and everybody’s lookin’ at you,
    what you want me to do?
    I’m starting to live like a recluse, and the truth is, fame is starting to give me an excuse, to be at a
    all time low. I sit alone in my home theater watching the same damn dvd of the
    first tour, the last tour, he was still alive, and it hurts, so I fast forward, sleeping pills will make me feel alright
    And if I’m still awake in the middle of the night, I just take a couple more, yeah, you’re motherfucking right.
    I ain’t slowing down for no one, I am almost homeward bound
    Almost in a coma, yeah homie, come on dole ‘em out
    (Hailie Voice over – daddy) “Daddy don’t you die on me!, (daddy) Daddy better hold your ground!”
    Fuck!, don’t I know the sound of that voice, yeah baby, hold me down

    Hailie fading (daddy….daddy)

    Wake up in the hospital full of tubes, plus somehow I’m pulling through
    Swear when I come back I’ma be bulletproof
    I’mma do it just for Proof
    I think I should state a few,
    facts, ’cause I may not get a chance again to say the truth,
    Shit it just hit me that what if I would not have made it through,
    I think about the things I would have never got to say to you,
    I’d never get to make it right, so here’s what I came to do
    Hailie this one is just for you, Whitney and Elaina too
    I still love your mother, that will never change, think about her every day,
    we just could never get it together, Hey,
    wish there was a better way for me to say it, but I swear on everything,
    I’ll do anything for her on any day,
    there are just too many things to explain, When it rains, guess it pours, yes it does, wish there wasn’t any pain,
    but I can’t pretend there ain’t, I ain’t placing any blame,
    I ain’t pointing fingers, Heaven knows I never been a saint,
    I know that it feels like we just pissed away our history,
    and just today, I looked at your picture, almost if to say, I miss you, sub-consciously
    Wish it didn’t end this way, but I just had to get away
    Don’t know why, I don’t know what else to say,
    I guess I’m

    (Chours)
    I’m going through changes
    Don’t know what I’m gonna do, but I just keep on going through changes
    I’m going through changes

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    checkmate. i concur. lilly and darrell are like so far gone. they only see ems good and can’t say anything about his flaws. Em’s flow is only one concsious stream in the ocean of hip hop. again, i’m a em fan based on what he does do well. he’s just not the best. he has never challenged a top tier rapper.

    Racisim has nothing to do with it. Him being white is a factor but that is just the color of his skin. You wanna talk racism? racisim is the father of hip hop. Poetry its mother. the odds that kept alot of people from expressing themselves helped to develop this culture. Its not about kanye or jigga man or even nas, i used those to help support my claim. they are a number of rappers whose careers i could have also named.

    I personally think recovery is decent BUT it doesn’t have that contiously play me for two months str8 classic feel.

  • To ff1

    You can’t even click on this on the XXL page anymore so these people have it saved coming day and night to battle relentlessly to one or two people that might not think Eminem is all that. :) They won’t critique Em at all, they just qualify their arguments with “you’re exposed,” or “blah blah so there see we win” as if they have unworldly powers to say “voila” and their history of hip hop knowledge without knowing who anyone is without selling to a pop stars level is superior than all the rest. :) I have my friends laughing like crazy at their “open minded” replies and they can’t believe I got them to go like 6 pages. :) They are like Ricky Gervais from the BBC Office, its like awkward humor to watch. lol

  • Going off on them

    OK! first im sorry i posted alot oh hate toward em and let me tell all you guys some thing people are going to hate it but im not saying everyone so calm the fuck down look at all you guys so quick to jump to em rescue and others oo his old stuff better and he fell off blah blah blah fuck the bullshit plz everyone get em’s dick out your ass and stop moaning his name like he is the best ever… moving on wait yous most likely reach for em’s dick on sight huh? nevermind dont wanna know… the fact is none of you guys know him in person and stop hating on haters be the mature one and just say what you think about the album dont make comments like oh at least he dont suck like lil wayne this what i gotta say rather u like it or not people are gonna buy these rappers albums rather lil wayne or em people have diffrent taste in music get over it fuck stop hating like it would make a diffrennce its just music for us but for rappers its there life not ours so stooop being a hater and stop taking it up the ass by these rappers- im out this bitch

    • lakerfan

      ur no fun. dud, gtfoh

  • HILARIOUS

    And by the way this is from a TeenToday site…this is who has more of a right to critique a rap best of list…Now this really is a checkmate of a lifetime. :)

    Lily Russell
    May 4th, 2010

    Holy Sh*t! Eminem just gave me goose bumps and I don’t even really listen to rap!

    • Lilly Russell

      Dude on Twitter my twitter name in has an underscore in it, because there’s a tons of other Lily Russell’s on it! It’s a common name I’ve never been to a teen site E-VER! And I would NEVER post any where that I don’t listen to rap!!! I’m proud member of too many rap communities to do that!!!

    • DerrellC

      jus checked you out on Rap basement. Um what are doing this weekend?? ;D

      She’s legit, except I thought you were a black woman??

  • satin sheet spyz

    thats not funny man, I feel like an ass now

  • lakerfan

    psssh What you want them to kick the man for? Or criticize him for? Why is that is that so important to you? He ain’t been kicked by life and this industry enough? Get off Nas’s, Jeezy, and Ei-p’s dicks! They overvalued by the underground anyway! Mos Def better than EL-p! You just not gonna be happy til they say he isn’t the best. They ain’t, b/c they aint deaf and dumb. I agree Racism aint got nuttin to do wit it. But they came back with strong arguments nobody on your side was able to dispute, and yo side made one hell of a nasty reply with that Strom Thermdick statement exposing it’s true colors and lost the argument. They won you lose, get the fuck over it, stop crying like bitches.

    PROOF!

  • Lacee

    I’ve kept quiet this whole time, even with unwarranted disrespect and attitude thrown my way, even if some of it was from Lily two wrongs don’t make a right. Lily made some impressive arguments, so even if she is the youngest one in here and doesn’t have a lot of experience with rap she made very savvy points, the fact that shes younger than everyone makes me give her even more respect. I’m glad to see another proud and intelligent female wanting to get into hip hop and delighted to see how she held her own in these debates. I want to see her comment in the future and would love to discuss more with her. So debate if you’d like, but I’m warning you if you go after her personally again I won’t have it.

    • Sing for the Moment

      even though i disagreed with you if i had to have anyone review an album id pick you

      you could have gone for the jugular tonight and no one would have blamed you but you stayed humble

      you are one classy lady lacee

      i will respect your wishes as well

      • T.I.P.

        Lacee Sing for the moment, whatever your calling yourself, Why you say loaded shit like that and never back that up with anything? I read all the posts today, and Derrell and Lily took apart everything everyone said fair and square, yet you say “you could have gone for the jugular tonight and no one would have blamed you” This is news to me? What would she/you have used to go for the juggler, and why would no one have blamed her/you? I’da jumped you/her shit in a second! Who the fuck she thinks she is “warning” people? lmao! and the people on her side too! and they just like “yas mum, please don’t beat dis poor purple body anymore”

        aw man that is some funny shit. Get the fuck outta here wit that shit, “i’m warning you”. You people take Sheep to a new level!

        • To Tip

          tip, man to man you are missing the point, they weren’t discussing this “forum battle” there never was one man, Lacee stated an opinion and left when people made this out to be like a “war” swearing and acting like idiots. Once she found out someone tricked her/him into admitting he/she was making multiple accounts from the same computer and then posting on other sites that she/he knew nothing of rap and listening to the people backing her up acting like napoleon dynamite she actually came back not to “war” with anyone but to stop the ridicule for your sake. these people were just egging you along and all laughing at this entire “war” of yours that has meant so much to you, she knew you were either all very young, in need of a friend, or mentally unstable, and im not being mean right now im telling you the honest truth because nobody else is and i feel bad for you guys at this point and think these other guys are much older and need to rethink their lifes laughing at what clearly is to be pitied

        • /\/athan

          not true to tip

          i dont care how young you are if you are being nasty i dont care what age you are you deserve whats coming to you

          i dont care if lily is ten and posted she doesnt know much about rap she actually has made some really good points and i disagree that shes closemind because she did go out of her way to look up artists she didnt know to use against her fav em

          i think the people swearing and posting back up replies that seem more like threats and talks about “winning” hurt her credibility more than anything else

          i only laughed at the blatantly ridiculous posts that were mean spirited or as you said sounded like napolean dynamite

          i think lily is very stubborn but i also think she is very smart and needs to tell her cronies to stop making her look ignorant by association

    • Lily Russell

      That was really nice of you to say lacee. Thank You. I actually really don’t think I said anything I can take credit for though, with the exception of addressing the sellout to pop thing. I basically just agreed or backed up someone else’s points, like Bethia, Slvr, and Deshawna, but still thanks for saying that about my age and posts.. I apologize for slinging a name at you in an earlier post. I won’t go there in the future.
      :)

  • mp7

    lacee is back!! getting all mama bear on us lol but i feel ya and point taken

  • Lurigancho

    nobody treated em with disrespect, everyone is here because we like him in one form or another, every other artist listed in any way got major disrespect

    arrepentido…there was talk of murdering whoever we listed and major spit being flung our way without any love i feel as if hilarious was indeed hilarious with his checkmate

  • lakerfan

    I got a message for defeated side from Weezy and Em, since we posting lyrics.

    (Lil Wayne)
    Throw dirt on me and grow a wildflower
    But it’s “fuck the world”, get a child out her
    Yeah, my lifes a bitch, but you know nothing bout her
    Been to hell and back, I can show you vouchers
    I’m rolling Sweets, I’m smoking sour
    Married to the game but she broke her vows
    That’s why my bars are full of broken bottles
    And my night stands are full of open Bibles
    I think about more than I forget
    But I don’t go around fire expecting not to sweat
    And these niggas know I lay them down, make their bed
    Bitches try to kick me while I’m down: I’ll break your leg
    Money outweighing problems on the triple beam
    I’m sticking to the script, you niggas skipping scenes
    Be good or be good at it
    Fucking right I’ve got my gun, semi-Cartermatic

    Yeah, put a dick in their mouth, so I guess it’s “fuck what they say”
    I’m high as a bitch: up, up and away
    Man, I come down in a couple of days
    OK, you want me up in the cage, then I’ll come out in beast mode
    I got this world stuck in the safe, combination is the G-code
    It’s Weezy motherfucker, blood gang and I’m in bleed mode
    All about my dough but I don’t even check the peephole
    So you can keep knocking but won’t knock me down
    No love lost, no love found

    (Eminem & Lil Wayne)
    It’s a little too late to say that you’re sorry now
    You kicked me when I was down
    F-ck what you say, just (don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me no more)
    That’s right bitch: and I don’t need you, don’t want to see you
    Bitch you get (no love)
    You show me nothing but hate
    You ran me into the ground
    But what comes around goes around
    I don’t need you (don’t hurt me)
    You (don’t hurt me no more)
    That’s right, and I don’t need you, don’t want to see you
    You get (no love)
    Bitch you get (no love)
    And I don’t need you
    Get em

    (Eminem)
    I’m alive again
    More alive than I have been in my whole entire life, I can
    see these people’s ears perk up as I begin, to spaz with the pen,
    I’m a little bit sicker than most, Shit’s finna get thick again
    They say the competition is stiff, but I get a hard dick from this shit, now stick it in
    I ain’t never giving in again,
    caution to the wind, complete freedom
    Look at these rappers, how I treat them,
    So why the fuck would I join them, when I beat them
    They call me a freak because I like to spit on these pussies fore I eat them
    And get these whack cocksuckers off stage!
    Where the fuck is Kanye when you need him?
    Snatch the mic from ‘em, bitch I’mma let you finish in a minute!
    Yeah that rap is tight, but um
    I’m punish with the greatest verse of all time
    So you might want to go back to the lab tonight and um
    scribble out them rhymes you were going to spit, and start over from scratch and write new ones
    But I’m afraid that it ain’t gonna make no difference, when I rip this stage, and tear it in half tonight
    It’s an adrenaline rush to feel the bass thump, in the place all the way to the parking lot, fellow
    Set fire to the mic and ignite the crowd, you can see the sparks from hot metal,
    Cold-hearted from the day I Bogarted the game, I so started to rock fellow
    When I’m not even in my harshest, you can still get roasted because Marsh is not mellow
    Til I’m toppling from the top, I’m not going to stop
    I’m standing on my Monopoly board
    That means I’m on top of my game and it don’t stop
    Til my hip don’t hop anymore
    When you so good that you can’t say it
    Because it ain’t even cool for you to sound cocky anymore
    People just get sick cause you spit
    These fools can’t drool or dribble a drop anymore
    And you can never break my stride
    You never slow the momentum at any moment I’m about to blow
    You’ll never take my pride
    Killing the flow, slow venom,
    and the opponent Is getting no mercy, mark my words
    Ain’t letting up, relentless, I smell blood,
    I don’t give a fuck: keep giving them hell
    Where was you when I fell and needed help up?
    You get no love

  • DerrellC

    Lily those lyrics are you posted is powerful shit man. I couldn’t wait no more after reading em, so I’m downloading it now.. He said some shit in there that took allot of nads. You can’t say you weak in this game! I bet it was for him to put that shit wit proof to words and spit that, cause I got a lump in my throat reading it.

    “Know you just had your heart ripped out and crushed,
    They say Proof just flipped out, homie just whipped out and bust,
    nah… It isn’t like dudey to do that, he wouldn’t fuckin shoot at, Nobody, He’d Fight First!
    But dwelling on it only makes the night worse”

    “I sit alone in my home theater watching the same damn dvd of the first tour, the last tour, he was still alive,
    and it hurts, so I fast forward, sleeping pills will make me feel alright,
    And if I’m still awake in the middle of the night, I just take a couple more,
    yeah, you’re motherfucking right.
    I ain’t slowing down for no one, I am almost homeward bound
    Almost in a coma, yeah homie, come on dole ‘em out!
    (Hailie Voice over – daddy) “Daddy don’t you die on me!, (daddy) Daddy better hold your ground!”
    Fuck!, don’t I know the sound of that voice, yeah baby, hold me down

    Hailie fading (daddy….daddy)”

    That’s Real legit shit man. Dude literally almost had to come back from the dead…

    But Imma kill you for making me impatient! ;)

    Lakerfan – No Love

    Ridiculously fucking SICK! I heard this one on the radio today, but I wish they’d have made a clean version, cause all the editing messes up their flows. I can’t stand waynes way too lazy ass spit at the beginning tho, but when he picks the pace so it fits the beat it’s better.

    Waynes metaphors and rhymes are prolly the best I’ve ever seen them.. I gotta give him props!

    Em’s just fucking sick, he’s got double entandre’s going, the ABAB schemes, puns, he’s sick wit that wordplay, man. And his flow is mad mad!

    “They call me a freak because I like to spit on these pussies fore I eat em.
    And get these whack cocksuckers off stage!
    Where the fuck is Kanye when you need him?
    Snatch the mic from ‘em, bitch I’mma let you finish in a minute!”

    lmao! Legit!

  • ryzin starr

    lol ouch ouch ouch

    can i switch off ems side? lol

    multiple lily russells posting on eminem sites?? lmfao ouch ouch ouch

    sorry lacee but my god let us laugh for just for tonight

    • Lily Russell

      You know what, let’s tweet all the Lily Russell’s on twitter and FB ask them if their Eminems fans or made a brief comment about him recently on a website and see what they say?? MAYBE one of them has, then would you believe it?

      You really think I give a flying fuck what the hell people that post here believe, none of them are going to make a bit of difference in my life, one way or the other, so why the fuck would I lie and say it’s not me? It would be easier to lie and say it was me and then make up a reason why I said it… Than to get you to believe it wasn’t me…

      Guess what, There’s a lily Russell and lilly Russel on youtube, who also likes Eminem and posts comments on his videos about him! My name on youtube is my favorite silent movie star Mary Philbin.

      You people are funny. and here I was being nice to you ryzin.. you believe that shit. but It still ain’t me.

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    LOL i must agree. pure humor.

  • BryceE

    @FF1ONE@yahoo.com

    The post you made about Not Afraid vs Jay’s track… Um Em’s rhyme’s in Not Afraid are WAY better than Jay’s. guy. Not only is Jay not saying anything, Em’s wordplay has way more depth than Jay’z. LOL

    Using the lyrics you posted

    “He’s married to the game, like a “fuck you” for Christmas, His gift is a curse,”

    get it? his gift of rhyming/ spitting is like getting a “fuck you” as a Christmas present. It’s a curse.

    “me I’m from the apple which means I’m the Mac, She’s a PC, she lives in my lap”

    Are you seriously going to try to say Jay’s has more depth and wit than Em’s? You must be getting fooled by jay’s structure, cause his word play is not only weak, but it’s not clever at all, it’s corny.

    You totally shot your self in the foot! Those Not Afraid lyrics pisses all over Jay.
    The grammy goes to Eminem..

  • /\/athan

    lol i feel bad i missed this when it came out

    i guess the title “dissects eminem” holds true

    nevermind a rap forum, ive never seen such a lopsided win in any debate ever lol i dont care how civil lacee wants this im smiling at this

  • satin sheet spyz

    Guys knock it off its enough.

    • KLETEWOOD

      :) pwned

    • lakerfan

      Why you wanna be a dud and spoil the fun. go away if you don’t wanna play..

  • http://yahoo nexus47

    Mixed opinions really. Excited about the fact that em is getting back to his backpack emcee roots but that doesnt mean he hasnt grown as an artist. His evolution and what he endures in life is real apparent on this album superior to most but still not on par w the eminem show brilliantly wrote produced and arranged song to song. em is on another level as lyricism goes another planet but still some comes across on the shade as quickly written or glanced over rhymes xl rating from me

    • lakerfan

      I guessing the you would give The Eminem Show an XXL? Because it was brilliantly written and produced. You would give these lyrics which are “on another planet” compared to TES, an XL because they come across quickly written, but TES’s lyrics which aren’t on another planet get an XXL?

      That makes me wanna yell Crackhead, but I’ll let u explain that first..

  • Olive Branch

    picking on a teen after embarrassment that has shown so much personal emotions in a room is kind of low guys, you got your “win” now as they say “go pick on someone your own size”

    • Lily Russell

      Honestly I don’t need your help. They Lost every single argument they made. If they can show we didn’t smack one down and how, please do. None of them will because if they had a rebuttal to our smack down they woulda replied to them by now. Because they lost they have to go find some post from some teen site, from someone with a common name and post it here to TRY to embarrass me.. Cause that the only way they can feel good about themselves. If I were embarrassed I wouldn’t still be here. Thing is though, they didn’t factor in, that I can’t get embarrassed over something I never did. Damn! This is how POOR sports deal with loss, like babies.

    • DerrellC

      Um I saw her picture on her twitter profile Lily_Russell she ain’t a teen, she hot, & she makin yall look like fools saying that shit. Cause people gonna see her, and think like I did dayum those guys are fucking retarded this girls hot..

      But lily I do wanna know which one of ur parents is black? ur dad, thats the composer? You can’t see it in u at all, if u didn’t send me the picture of u and your brother, I never would believed that shit! You look lily white. haha!

  • KLETEWOOD

    that teen post of yours was the least embarrassing thing ive seen of yours :)

    • DarrellC

      man you punks really do take defeat badly, going after a girl… wow. manly of you..

  • DerrellC

    Why its so hard to believe there are other Lily Russells what like an Eminem song. I dated a Linette Russell back home in ascension parish Louisiana, her family made up half the parish. Even have a road named after them. Yeah poor sports is right.. you only looking more dumb

    btw saw the tweet on your twitter profile about Perez Hilton and Em. Yeah you muthafucking right! I hope Em totally disses that douche for that shit. He needs to get over it, Rappers ain’t never gonna stop using the words faggot and homo. just like they never gonna stop saying nigga, Elton don’t take it personal. Fuck it don’t even mean that shit when we say it anymore. And you noticed he went after Em, but he won’t say shit to a black Rapper like Weezy or Royce! Douchbag

    I got cha back lil!

  • KLETEWOOD

    :) i love you guys lol

  • Anonymous

    There is a major difference btwn a “fan” and a “stan”

    As for the not afraid line. it has been used several times. that metaphor wasn’t even expanded by Em.

    Such as this:

    Nas: Life’s a bitch but godforbid the bitch divorce me.

    Jayz: Life’s a bitch with a short skirt and big chest, how can i not flirt with death

    Beans:Lifes a bitch with her period on but still i’m hitting it raw

    I used that same gifted in the “present” line about six years ago.

    In fact, here’s a freestyle for yah

    fans of eminem are often the synonyms for femmine/
    i swear they’re more loyal and emotional then my women friends/
    never been lyrically inclined so their impressed by the miniumn/
    full of adreline pcp cocaine and roids in ur insulin/
    stans standin close to your 17 inch sanyo with boyish grin/

    LOL

    Besides that.

    Read not afriad. Its sounds complicated but its very simple. As LACEE said, and i concur as an english major working on my masters/prelaw student

    Em uses big words but they aren’t saying anything.

    the entire song says he is afraid, and it talks bout him loosing a step.

    As for Jayz “the god mc”

    me I’m from the apple which means I’m the Mac, She’s a PC, she lives in my lap”

    that line is describing him as being from NYC mac as mack beyonnce a PC she lives in my lap “check andre 3000 stack song” that simple line is a quadropule enterndre. its four meanings there.

    the entire vs uses new metaphors in current current current pop culture. as in black berry bold side kick computre talk. coke/pepsi

    and its a bout a girl. not for his male friends to hold his hand and take a stand with him.

    smh.

    keep in mind. Jayz very lyrical kingdom come wasn’t recieved well by the media. it was a dope lp. did he cry? did he say it was too much ace a spades? No, he went in the both and cooked up two better albums.

    smh. lol :)

    • Lily Russell

      Also why do you keep saying this bullshit about his Fans. You know we laugh at everytime you say it right? Em is always talking about how hard his fans are on him. Keep in mind Relapse was not well recieved by the media either it got mixed reviews, and his fans bashed the shit out of him for it, and murdered him on for Encore! They didn’t fucking hold his hand in fact ALLOT of them gave up and are only just starting to come back around.. What did he do? Did he cry? No he went back into the studio and delivered fucking excellence! So this claim you keep trying to maintain that his fans blindly believe EVERYTHING he’s does is just GENIUS and believe EVERYTHING he says and Holds his hand through fucking everything, and places paper crowns on his head, and ALL this BS you are saying to degrade the credibility of his fanbase is FUCKING CRAP! There was no one harder on him for Encore and Relapse than his fans. Even I had critical words for it! Which is why Em apologizes to his fans, and mention coming back because he felt like he let his fans down, numerous time on this album. Who the fuck has the balls to admit that publicly? You Fail

      And BTW, here the media hasn’t given any indication that this album won’t be well received, in fact it’s just the opposite, cuz they aren’t as ignorant as you make them out to be, and have credibility to maintain.

      I’ve been playing this album for the past week, and it gets better with every spin. It’s got a ton of deep substance, along with fun, ridiculously dope lyrics, Every beat is a banger, with only one that’s alittle overkill, “Won’t Back Down” but even that one still deserves props for being skillfully composed in a rare 6/8 time, that falls in and out to 4/4 time on the hook, if you recall Em was bashed to shit for forcing a 4/4 to flow on Underground’s 3/4 time signature, everyone was saying he couldn’t do it, yet here he’s got a far more rarer and complex 6/8 time, and you can not deny his flow is just fucking remarkable, its one of the sickest things I’ve heard. Even when the emphasis switches, his switch is smooth as butter, kinda like his 4/4 tempo switch on the despicable freestyle, which was jaw dropping also, but here it’s insane. Most Rappers haven’t mastered switching like that! And his word play is sick especially the last verse. So even the track that has flaws, it’s the sick shit about it out ways the flaws, dude.

      Idk, maybe my Dad has just has us too heavily into music, But I’m fucking standing behind my XXL, 150 percent, I don’t give a shit what you guys say, I ain’t about to look foolish and say this album is anything less..

      • T.I.P.

        Whoa lily shit, I have no idea what the fuck your talking about in that 2nd to last paragraph, but yeah I think his flow on that beat is the shit x10!, uh thanks, i think, for sheddin light on why, don’t think I understand it but at least I know there is something unique about it, that made react to it. The beat on that track is dope, but it does feel like they got too much going on in it, like you said it’s so complex maybe the guitar loop prolly wasn’t needed on the verses, just his flow and the beat, it works, but would be better without it. That beat is the only one I felt awkward about also.

        But didn’t subtract any X’s for it though cause for the same reason, 1 track and the positives out weight the negs. XXL!

        • Anonymous

          It’s hard to explain, but it’s basically the number of the beats in a bar. Most everything in pop, hip hop, and Rock is 4/4, the accent may change or drop out giving the illusion of another count, but normally it’s a safe bet that the beat is 4/4. 6/8 is similar to the waltz 3/4 but the emphasis is usually on the 8. My dad taught it to me, like this, The heartbeat moves in a very fast 6/8 (or 3/4) it goes lub-dub-silence, lub-dub silence,… It’s like a waltz on speed. lol! It’s rarely heard in most popular genres. The list of pop and rock in 3/4 has grown allot since the Beatles first used it in Help & Baby’s in Black, but 6/8 is still pretty rare I’d be surprised if there’s over 200 total songs in all the genres. Rap songs its even more rare, the odd placement of syaballe within the four stressed beats, add changes to the emphisis in the 6/8 time and well is fucking near impossible to do it without falling behind or sounding too abrupt and unnatural so usually if you want to switch emiphisis you create a pause in the flow and beat for effect.

          The first person I ever heard successfully flow without messing up the beat was Jay-z in the first verse of My First Song. @nd verse he falls behind some, 3rd verse picks it back up! Execllent job! Outkast, Andre, all those prior to jay have played with it and it well its okay, i guess it’s not unbareable to listen to but they’re just barely get by, and sometimes it’s way off. Kanye did it on Spaceship but it’s kinda sloppy sounding. Now all of Rap tracks in 6/8 that I’ve ever heard the emphasis will stay constant, with maybe a pause for effect here and there. I’ve never heard one change emphasis mid verse, cause it’s fucking HARD!!! Now once you hear someone else spitting it over and over, you can follow them easily. But try laying your own lyrics over it with nothing but this fucking crazy ass, quick, complicated beat as a guide… forget it.

          Now Underground is a perfect example of why a rapper is taking a huge risk flowing to an usual time sig. It’s a fucking disaster! Here ya have these dope ass lyrics, and this sick ass beat, and Em’s flow destroys the song. I was floored they released that shit!

          Then I heard Em do a flow switch on Despicable that I thought would be probably the sickest smoothest 4/4 flow switch and settle in I’d ever heard. And at the time I thought wow that was awesome flowing doesn’t get any better than that, right.. But here on Won’t Back Down, MID VERSE right out the gate in the first verse emphasis in the 6/8 changes, he flows over that shit effortlessly. But insanity is in last verse! I heard that shit and my jaw hit the floor! I’ve never heard smooth switch in flow on a beat that complex before ever! Even my dad was WTF??? There were two pretty well known R&B artists in my dads studio laying down tracks for a film he’s scoring, when I ran over there with the album, They almost jezzed on themselves when they heard that shit! It’s fucking crazy!!

          Sad thing though, the average hip hop fan and music reviewer will have no idea what they’re listening to and why it’s soooo fucking phenomenal!

  • Anonymous

    my bad ff1one@yahoo.com left that last comment addressed to the person who tagged my name.

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    smh. lol :) you guys will hit 500 comments. please respond. its too funny.

  • Lily Russell

    Miss English Major – Google the phrase – Police Don’t Have Balls & Jay-Z Still Hasn’t Spit A Triple Entendre

    Journalist have already gone over Jay-z’s lyrics and disputed his claim of spitting triple entendre’s. The line you use is included.

    They don’t exist the only people who claim they do are Jay-z Stans

    “According to David “Mr. Masters in Journalism from Northwestern” D., after consulting his AP Style Guide or some other literary Bible: “they’re homophones and more so puns than double entendres.”

    No one said the lyrics had to be original. If originality were a determining factor EVERY Rapper would fail. Using Mac & PC to describe people has been done to death in almost everything from films, commercials, songs, and traditional modern art. No rapper is perfect, even the precious NAS has bar’s that are guilty of lack of originality.

    In the context in which it’s used, that line is as lame as Em’s use of the metaphor “Fuck the world feed it beans, it’s gassed up, if it thinks it’s stopping me”

    I’m not backing up Bryce’s claim that one has more depth than the other, just saying that both of your claims that one artist is a better lyricist than the other based on a few bars as evidence is fucking ridiculous, and stupid..

    • T.I.P.

      Well fuck lily you just took all the fun out of it. Was the critique of Em a slip? I was enjoying watching them look stupid wit the blind Stan reference’s every time they were getting defeated. why u did that?

      • Phife

        You on point Tip?

      • leasure suit

        You Eminem fans have to admit its hard for Eminem to write 4 bars nicer than this Nas freestyle

        NAS – Dj Nyse freestyle

        If I’m elected for ten terms
        I’m renewing the staff after the inaugural
        And hiring all girls as interns
        If I don’t like you, I’ll snatch you outta your mic booth
        While you’re rappin and pull your right through the window and fight you
        I’ll take you straight to the pavement
        Uppercut you, and scrape your face wit a bracelet
        Like a razor that shaved it

  • billp

    haven’t you read all the lyrics posted above? let me just reply with something from his new DOUBLE XL, DOUBLE XL cd Recovery

    You’re Never Over

    For you, I wanna write the sickest rhyme of my life
    So sick it’ll blow up the mic, It’ll put the dyna-in-mite
    Yeah it’ll make the dopest MC wanna jump off a bridge and shit himself
    Tap dancin’ all over the beat, it’ll jump off the page and spit itself
    Yeah it’s the best thing I could do right now for you doodi is to rap
    So Imma fuck til I die, yeah Imma do it to death
    And instead of mourning your death, I’d rather celebrate your life
    Elevate to new height, step on the gas and accelerate, Imma need two mics
    Cuz the way that I’m feelin’ tonight, everything I can just do right

    a little more than four bars but so was yours i think simply put those Nas bars were weak, didnt make much sense and sloppy and these em bars were powerful

    • Lily Russell

      You do know Em use to write and freestyle with the best of the underground rappers when he was in his underground phase right?? He can still write like that if he wanted to. Most of the people who are into Nas and the underground thing, will usually say that’s when he was at his best, Infinite and before, and went down hill from there.

      I’m glad he grew out of it! I think at He’s at his best here!

  • Lilly Russell

    Let me just say first, @leasure suit I’ve never heard those bars from Nas before, til you posted them. And I do admit if that’s Nas that’s some DOPE shit! And prolly the best bars I’ve read of his! I wish he’d write like that more often!

    Billp just picked up what we were trying to say earlier. Nas has never moved me to the point of being teary, laugh, uplifted, or wanting to jump out my chair and do something. I’ve felt moments of wow when listening to him, like where I think “Wow that was brilliantly put” right. But I just don’t think that makes someone a better lyricists at all. The whole point of conveying a story or message is to make the audience feel something, be it humor, partying, uplifting, sympathy, comfort, whatever, often times that’s enough but they can then also lead them to thinking differently about something, learning something, etc..

    Look check this out –

    “I see no changes, wake up in the morning and I ask myself is life worth living? Should I blast myself?
    I’m tired of bein’ poor & even worse I’m black,
    my stomach hurts, so I’m lookin’ for a purse to snatch.”

    No philosophy, no arty structure, no preaching, no hyper lyricism, just Pac’s “Changes” coming at you straight from the heart! And you know you feel that shit! THAT IS Brilliant lyricism! Pac was able to it, Biggy was, and Em is able to do it, All 3 make you feel it like no other artist does no matter what the feeling is, cause they rap from the heart! That’s the best lyricists as far as I’m concerned!

    Nas is just too disconnected. I actually think Jay-z and Kanye are better storytellers than Nas and Em is up there with Pac and Biggy.

  • leasure suit

    im glad lily at least looked it up lol

    billp you fell for it, lacy i give credit looked that up first and realized it was eminem himself not nas that wrote those bars

    after relentlessly going at nas and then saying “Let me just say first, @leasure suit I’ve never heard those bars from Nas before, til you posted them. And I do admit if that’s Nas that’s some DOPE shit! And prolly the best bars I’ve read of his! I wish he’d write like that more often!”

    you gave your cards away by knowing it was m&m, you just went too hard at nas to believe you’d give him any credit later on BUT STILL i give you credit for looking that it was m&m,

    lily im sorry for trying to bait you, you actually grew on me and i think you write well, you just have an atrocious poker game

    billp you filled the stereotype i was hoping for thank you

    • Lily Russell

      I really truly and honestly had no idea that was Em, But I did suspect that it wasn’t Nas, cuz it wasn’t broken enough to be him, he just doesn’t write that way. At least not on his albums, which is really the material of Nas’s that I know, I don’t know any of his freestyles, or anything else he may have done.

      I really thought you were gonna reply that it was Jay-z or EL-p.. Bait me all you want, I’m just saying what I really think and feel if I end up being wrong I will I say so! Em’s not perfect, but it doesn’t change the fact that this album is XXL material!

      And that of the three Eminem and Jay-z are more effective and therefore better Lyricists than Nas!

      • Countdown 123

        will if anyone here is qualified to give eminem a fair and non-bias ranking its certainly you

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    of course somebody will not recognize a triple enterndre because its New. lol. as an english major, i’ll be the first to say most professors are bitter because they didn’t come up with good ideas or made millions with there book.

    you guys are the most emotional fans. you prob the type to cry and faint if u were to meet him.

    with that said, as you can see he is reaching for material. i give him two years tops. after that he’ll die out. as you can see, nobody was missing him when he retired.

    with that said,

    a candy coated m&m has more nuts/
    thas why his fans r sweeter than sugar
    no name joe’s in a thong and button up/
    lame dames with no respect for the game still u feel his pain/
    play his game as he convey’s his shame/
    face in the mirror lip singing his name/

    LoL :)

  • SWORDZ

    i think the emotion was the downfall

    they didnt look at any argument, just saw it as “hate eminem” even if it was for him but a slight critique. then came all the talk of rappers saying eminem was good so that was the end all, but when lyrics were posted of him saying hed lose to so and so and how a best of list would put him not even top 5 they make it so him being humble makes him the best?

    then they cry racism, when eminem was exposed as writing racial lyrics by the source, granted he apologized and I know he was just mad at the time and accept it, but how are you going to call the game racist when someone mentioned El-Ps diss tracks as better (and even gave credit that eminem would beat him in a freestyle battle) and you unleashed on him. Look up El-Ps history on production alone, how are you going to cry racism and diss El-P who in my opinion is the most legitimate white rapper in hip hop.

    eminem and tupac are great artists, their emotion alone carries them to stardom

    really look at eminems lyrics without bias fans, it really is a lot of dick jokes and simple sentences, he isn’t making anyone think or blowing anyone’s mind with revolutionary thoughts. Tupac came in with Brenda’s Got A Baby, I know you new rap kids don’t know that, but even Tupac has gone with more well rounded topics throughout his career.

    nas is a better lyricist but that wont carry him over to stardom, I agree he bores people at times.

    I feel as if Biggie stays number one because he was a great lyricist and a great artist, he found a special blend.

    Now like politics this is my opinion and im willing to listen to others, but just cause youre madly in love eminem doesnt make him the best mc ever, you cant just curse and swear and write “we smashed you lol lol” and expect to be taken seriously, thats not debating. Rewording the oppositions discussion or never saying one critique against Eminem is also very poor debating skills.

    On anti-eminems side, “trapping” people is lame and immature, and even if you found out how old someone is or whatever, its in poor taste to air someone out when it really has nothing to do with the debate

    whoever gave this album an M is just being ridiculous, you have to compare how XXL has voted in the past and use that as a template, im not saying xxl is the end all of ratings, but we are on their site so we have to go by their measures if we are discussing a rating. I would say if Eminem was an unknown and came in with this it would be an L. given his stature, sales, and importance I don’t see how anyone could argue him getting an XL rating? I think thats very accurate and fair putting everything in perspective.

    Eminems Recovery XL

    Anti-Eminem fans they aren’t going to give this an M or L so stop dreaming, it will never happen, if you think this is M material you need to switch genres

    Pro-Eminem his album does not deserve an XXL and if they give it to him it will just create more anti-eminem fans and start disgust towards the magazine. The Source was bias for a long time and got away with it, but the history is there for anyone to see, and if XXL keeps playing favoritism it as well will lose respect, maybe not now or in a few years, but sooner or later people will call out bs.

    • Lily Russell

      “they didnt look at any argument, just saw it as “hate eminem” even if it was for him but a slight critique. then came all the talk of rappers saying eminem was good so that was the end all, but when lyrics were posted of him saying hed lose to so and so and how a best of list would put him not even top 5 they make it so him being humble makes him the best?”

      I don’t know if I quite understand what your referring to here, But based on what I think your referring to, Imma show you why this argument that your making, “that, the pro-Em is the best, side is too blinded by fandom to see the argument” is wrong so that your side can stop trying to use it to jusify your arguments. k

      As proof that we are blind you said “but when lyrics were posted of him saying hed lose to so and so and how a best of list would put him not even top 5 they make it so him being humble makes him the best?”

      So you think were blind because you think the only rebuttal we had for him saying he’d lose against so and so, and his own list, was just that he was being humble right?

      BOMP, wrong, that’s not what we said.
      WE DID look at the argument and knew what you were trying to do, and felt is was wrong and a slimey way to prove he’s not the Best! Who on our said him being humble made him the best? You need to go back and re-read what we said. Your sided posted his own lyrics from Talking 2 myself, where he states he would have had his ass handed to him if he started dissing Kanye and Lil’ wayne. as proof he wasn’t the best.. “Thank god that I didn’t do it, I would of had my ass handed to me and I knew it”

      The reason your side only quotes that one tiny line, is because if they had finished the rest of the verse everyone on the board woulda laughed at them holding that up as proof. The rest of that verse is – “I’m in the booth popping another pill, tryna talk myself into it
      Are you stupid? You gon’ start dissing people for no reason, Especially when you can’t even write a decent punchline even. You’re lying to yourself, you’re slowing dying, You’re denying, your health is declining with your self esteem, you’re crying out for help” He saying, That AT THAT TIME , he was SO messed up on drugs, he couldn’t even write a decent punch line, so he would have gotten his ass handed to him had he given into his jealousy! Hello duh? Your side was trying to use Em’s own words to prove he wasn’t the best, By taking his own words out of context!! Get it? And you can bet your sweet ass that’s the only way anyone in this game would be able to hand him his ass, is for him to be so screwed up on drugs he can’t write! So your wrong we did look at the argument, and it didn’t prove shit, it’s just the opposite!

      The 2nd half of your proof that we’re blind, is his own lyrics in Til I collapse, listing his placement in the Best list, — “I got a list here’s the order of my list that it’s in. It goes, Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outcast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me.”

      And replied that, A) – it’s impossible for someone to be objective in judging their own work, so the where he places himself is irrelevant! And B) – that was a LONG time ago, he has long surpassed 6 or 7 of the people on that list. Hell he did that with Re-up and Relapse! Relapse was a horrible commercial album, but is one of the best technical study albums on the craft! It’s was more of a Rap Album for Rappers, than for the General Hip hop fan. You’d look foolish if you studied the lyrical compositions, creativity, and attention to detail in some of those songs on Relapse, and then put Jay-z, Andre, Jada, reggie, Kurupt, ahead of him! I’m still on the fence about Biggie thou. He and Biggie are like tied for 2nd in my list.

      Now your constant statements that were blind & just don’t want to see your arguments is just BS.. We saw them alright, saw them for exactly what they were, lame attempts to use his words out of context. Your’ just not going to be happy til we agree he’s not the best. And I know too much about music and Rap to appear foolish enough to make that statement

      • Countdown 123

        I know too much about music and Rap to appear foolish

        that is truly the funniest thing ive heard all year

      • Countdown 123

        im not even putting myself in their defense because i think eminem is seriously garbage, as stupid as I may be for thinking eminem is really a jr high rapper, is as stupid as you are for thinking hes the best in the game, but as far as your war there never was one

        the real credible people that were anti-eminem were still nice, stating their opinion on why he didn’t deserve an xxl or why he is overrated, but always gave him credit

        you turned it into a “smash them” war and they did prove you were hypocrites and the fact that you defend it after about how eminem cant critique himself or the endless endless shit you spewed is just garbage because they made their point, proved you were hypocrites, and then simply stopped posting, just because you keep getting the last word doesnt make you win, they saw you shit on Nas and others write lol lol to Nas and thought well jesus these people are jackasses and just stopped.

        you kept on and on with endless bias views and continually morphed everything to the point where anyone coming in would just see your endless rants, but glazing over this all, and its hard cause its close to 500 comments, you turned long time eminem friends against you and against eminem with your rants, thats not good for him or the game.

        but i admit im oddly attracted to you now, so i hope you really are 21 and attractive and not some twelve year old boy with eminem posters on his wall

    • Lily Russell

      I don’t know if I quite understand what your referring to here, But based on what I think your referring to, Imma show you why this argument that your making, “that, the pro-Em is the best, side is too blinded by fandom to see the argument” is wrong so that your side can stop trying to use it to justify your arguments. k

      As proof that we are blind you said “but when lyrics were posted of him saying hed lose to so and so and how a best of list would put him not even top 5 they make it so him being humble makes him the best?”

      So you think were blind because you think the only rebuttal we had for him saying he’d lose against so and so, and his own list, was just that he was being humble right?

      BOMP, wrong, that’s not what we said.
      WE DID look at the argument and knew what you were trying to do, and felt is was wrong and a slimey way to prove he’s not the Best! Who on our said him being humble made him the best? You need to go back and re-read what we said. Your sided posted his own lyrics from Talking 2 myself, where he states he would have had his ass handed to him if he started dissing Kanye and Lil’ wayne. as proof he wasn’t the best.. “Thank god that I didn’t do it, I would of had my ass handed to me and I knew it”

      The reason your side only quotes that one tiny line, is because if they had finished the rest of the verse everyone on the board woulda laughed at them holding that up as proof.

      The rest of that verse is –“I’m in the booth popping another pill, tryna talk myself into it Are you stupid? You gon’ start dissing people for no reason, Especially when you can’t even write a decent punchline even. You’re lying to yourself, you’re slowing dying, You’re denying, your health is declining with your self esteem, you’re crying out for help” —

      He is saying, “AT THAT TIME he was SO messed up on drugs, he couldn’t even write a decent punch line, so he would have gotten his ass handed to him had he given into his jealousy! Hello duh? Your side was trying to use Em’s own words to prove he wasn’t the best, By taking his own words out of context!! Get it? And you can bet ur sweet ass that is the only way anyone in this game would be able to hand him his ass, is for him to be so screwed up on drugs he can’t write! So your wrong we did look at the argument, and it didn’t stand up, it’s just the opposite!

      The 2nd half of your proof that we’re blind, is again his own lyrics in Til I collapse, listing his placement in the Best list, — “I got a list here’s the order of my list that it’s in. It goes, Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outcast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me.”

      And we replied that, A) – it’s impossible for someone to be objective in judging their own work, so the where he places himself is irrelevant! And B)- that was a LONG time ago, he has since then long surpassed 6 or 7 of the people on that list. Hell he did that with Re-up and Relapse! Relapse was a horrible commercial album, but is one of the best technical study albums on the craft! It’s was more of a Rap Album for Rappers, than for the General Hip hop fan. You’d look foolish if you studied the lyrical compositions, creativity, and attention to detail in some of those songs on Relapse, and then put Jay-z, Andre, Jada, reggie, Kurupt, ahead of him! Heck No Apologies surpasses most of those guys! I’m still on the fence about Biggie thou. He and Biggie are like tied for 2nd in my list.

      Now your done! Your constant statements that we’re blind & just don’t want to see your arguments is just BS.. We saw them alright, saw them for exactly what they were, lame attempts to use his words out of context so that you could say he’s not among the best. Your just not going to be happy til we agree he’s not the best. And I know too much about music and Rap to appear foolish enough to make that statement.

      • Lily Russell

        Sorry don’t know why that posted twice

        “then they cry racism, when eminem was exposed as writing racial lyrics by the source, granted he apologized and I know he was just mad at the time and accept it, but how are you going to call the game racist when someone mentioned El-Ps diss tracks as better (and even gave credit that eminem would beat him in a freestyle battle) and you unleashed on him. Look up El-Ps history on production alone, how are you going to cry racism and diss El-P who in my opinion is the most legitimate white rapper in hip hop.”

        Wait You are confusing the two issues, me and DerrellC calling someone on their racist comment’s had NOTHING to do with EL-p. The commenter, refuted your argument above by stating, that the *DETERMINING FACTOR* was diversity, and that the majority of Eminem’s fans were White boys who blindly follow him and believe everything he says, as if Eminem was Ex KKK member Strom Thurmond!! Do you get that? That’s RACISTS as HELL!! No one was hollering racism to deflect the argument! They exposed the real reason they don’t want to recognize that he’s the best! and we won! But for your info, the reason everyone accepted his apology back then and never gave any significance to the claims that he was racist. Is because the song was about a black girl that broke up with him! It’s hard to call someone who was Dating a Black girl and was clearly hurt when she broke up with him, a racist! Cuz obviously he did want them to breakup and woulda continued dating her had she not broken up with him! Duh!!

        “you have to compare how XXL has voted in the past and use that as a template, im not saying xxl is the end all of ratings, but we are on their site so we have to go by their measures if we are discussing a rating.”

        Again another point we already addressed and no one from your side disagreed with. We did use XXL’s measurement to come to the conclusion that it should get and XXL!! That’s the point! We looked at the albums that are in the XL catagory, b.o.b, jim jones , gucci mane , rick ross, etc, then it becomes QUITE clear it fits better in the XXL catagory! As much as we were hoping someone from your side would be outlandish enough to say it does fit better with those albums, so we could just end the discussion in laughing at them, no one did!

        “we smashed you lol lol” and expect to be taken seriously, thats not debating.”

        Dude we did smash every single argue your side made. Clearly as the evidence above shows, It’s your side that is refusing to see our argument! The rest of what you said is just so easily disproved and has also been addressed, and I’m too tired of talking about it, to do over again..

        • Lily Russell

          I meant – The commenter, refuted our argument above by”

        • Lily Russell

          Um and TY, But – Twitter dot com/Lily_Russell no one trapped me. Just keep clicking my photo till it’s larger, I’m about to turn 21, I’m not a teenager. It’s ridiculous to continue that retardedness

        • Countdown 123

          two Lily Russells posting pro eminem comments at the same week?

          if I caught a Lilac Williams posting on two sites against Em Id call them out as well, get outta here :) you personally sound 12 to me

  • Dre Day made Eazys pay day

    off the subject my favorite diss track of all time was eazy e – real muthaphukkin gs because back then mixtapes werent as hot and Dre put a bunch of diss songs on his album and was still under contract with E

    now i would never say eazy e was good with lyrics but the funniest grand slam i heard was when he said

    i hope that yer fans understand
    when ya talk about sprayin me,
    the same records that ya makin’ is payin me

    it was so classic
    rip eazy e

    • Lily Russell

      Holy crap I haven’t thought about that diss track since I was like, 13! LOL You win that one! Fo sho, that is THE baddest diss track ever! He totally humiliated the shit outta Dre! I can’t remember exactly the line, feelin to lazy to look it up, but something like — all of a sudden Dr Dre is a G thang, but on his old album he was a she-thang.
      so nigga please don’t step to these motherfuckin Real G’s — lol she-thang! ouch!

      Yep Best Diss track EVER!

      • Countdown 123

        So you mean last year?

  • Egor

    I love how American’s only talk about American Rappers when they speak of the best lyricists. Truth is Eminem is best Story Teller in America, But if Jay-z, Nas, or Eminem went up against German Rapper Bushido they would be killed instantly. You know rapping is global don’t you? You are not the only people on this earth.

  • Countdown 123

    yes lets rate songs from a language nobody understands, good point egor, I should have never left with Lily and her flunkies still rambling such insightful knowledge :)

    as far as vocals and beat i gave it a listen and its horrible, his cd cover is lifting the middle finger with two girls (same girl used on each side though) on the side of him with their asses in thongs, thats who this guys pick is to go higher than Nas in hip hop.

    you got us egor, you blew all our minds, is lady sovereignty going to rap circles around slaughterhouse next?

  • Countdown 123

    Gets better, you can look this up too its all factual. Bushido has rapped Adolph Hitler, had his bodyguards leave a teen with severe head injuries for slashing his tire, during court it was discovered he was married and after for some reason (pimp status maybe) he denied it, and has stolen illegal samples from Dimmu Borgir, Antimatter, Nox Arcana, Dark Sanctuary, and other death metal and goth acts.

    Ok Egor you got us, he definitely holds more weight than Nas in the world of hip hop. Please invite me to you and Lilys wedding, I can’t wait to hear your playlist.

  • jonny bizness

    XXl can u please rate this album right now u’ve had 400 comments something i have neva seen on here.put it to bed please 1 way or another

    • Mitch 3K

      i think the anti-eminem squad wants this to get an XXL more than the pro-eminem side to prove their point lol i hope they give it an L just to shut their mouths!!

      to lacee, how can everyone think you are the most serious when youve been hating on eminem in every eminem post, yes we can dig up sites and posts youve been on 2 b*itch

      check out
      BANGERS
      Eminem “Not Afraid” [VIDEO]

      she was hating then and she hated now

  • What cuz!

    @Egor get your ass otta here if you know our artist and we don’t know yours there is a reason for that! Nas/jz/em could sell out any where in your country ya boy could not sell out a free show in my city!ha!!

  • ff1one@yahoo.com

    i think egor makes a great argument. When you only know what you know, you limit yourself. OF COURSE, his favorite artist is the best. Likewise, somepeople take a fan to new limits in the US. They cant see any other artist’s worth because of their blind love for their favorite. at the end of the day, its just music; however, its deeper than rap.

  • SWORDZ

    “jonny bizness says:

    XXl can u please rate this album right now u’ve had 400 comments something i have neva seen on here.put it to bed please 1 way or another”

    It started as a debate but most of this is a vendetta rather then a discussion, or people trying to keep Lily and her friends to keep posting more crazy stuff. Still you are right, this is impressive for a response, I hope it hits 500. :)

    To Countdown – you tirade still goes down as the funniest thing, but this is my personal favorite of this entire discussion: I shoot to kill like I’m hollerin’ “Die Santa!”
    Miss the tree and hit Rudolph and two innocent bystanders
    So quit tryin’ ta play the wall like you pawlin’
    Get on the floor when the beat drops and stop stallin’

    SHIT I NEVER THOUGHT I’D HEAR HIM EDUCATE US WITH A RUDOLPH LINE GOD DAMN SHIT IS NICE SON!!!!! GONNA DEAD DAT SANTA FA REAL!!!!

  • two thousand and late

    dont go crazy after hearing this just because you dont agree because more people agree than dont

    check out sales of boom boom pow and bep before disagreeing

    i think as far as swagger, beats, lyrics, and trend setting

    Fergie is in the hip hop best of top 3 right now

  • emerald flowsion

    I don’t know if that was sarcasm or not, but that is a credible reason why to place her in a list I guess.

    Eminem, Fergie, Drake

    Biggie, Tupac, Jay Z

    Nas, Kool G Rap, Big L

    Whatever list you go by doesn’t make you any less of a fan of rap.

  • Anonymous

    Tha album is hott, but the last one (Relapse) was pretty good but i’m still bitter it won The Grammy over Qtip’s Renaissance cd. That shit was classic. But the grammy’s like everything else is about politics! But this album is hot no doubt. Big ups to Em.

  • Black Benji

    Sales will never come before being honorable. People are afraid of really pushing real rap because you’d see 2/3s of these cats disappear.

    Eminem is a strong candidate for being the best right now, look at his fans and giant ad up above on xxl, but hell, people believed the world was flat and would laugh at anyone calling it round.

    I truly believe at the end of the day, when Eminem and Nas are both 80 listening back on their works of art, Nas will be ten times more proud on his material, as well as hip hop fans.

    So I give you Eminem now, later on I doubt we’ll see Eminem in a top ten list of any kind.

  • T

    I GIVE IT AN XXL, JUS LOOK AT ALOT OF GARBAGE ALBUMS FROM GARBAGE RAPPERS THAT GOT AN XL, EVEN TONY YAYO GOT AN XL OR A RICK ROSS & TML GOT AN XL SO RECOVERY IS WAYYYY BETTER THAN THOSE PATHETIC CDS! I’D SAY EM SHOW SHOULD ALSO GET AN XXL BUT I DNT KNO WHAT THEY GAVE IT, DOES ANYBODY KNO???? & WHAT THEY GAVE ENCORE & RELAPSE???? WHAT ABOUT THE SOURCE WHAT DID THEY RATE ALL HIS ALBUMS: I KNO SSLP GOT A RELE LOW RATING, MMLP GOT 4 MICS & EM SHOW GOT 4 MICS BUT WHAT ABOUT ENCORE & RELAPSE?????????

  • Jose Abrego Galdamez

    Drake’s first full-length album sells more copies than Eminem’s debuts.

    I guess Lily and her gang will now fight the world that Drake is in the top 3 best rappers.

    • T.I.P.

      LOL! The Numbers are in on Recovery, 750,000 1st week. account for piracy and economy, and 8 yrs ago that woulda been 1.5 mill. I don’t think they’ll be fighting the world about anything. A KILLER album, and some help spreading the word from his fanbase, was all he needed to prove he reigns supreme in hip hop, and has with the broadest appeal. With these numbers, He could carry the whole damn genre by himself! That takes a tremendous amount of talent! This is why Billboard & Nielsen refer to him as “the Hip Hop King”!

      But make no mistake about the King reference, he isn’t the Elvis of hip hop, he’s much more talented than that, much more he’s the Beatles or MJ of hip hop!

  • Jake

    who ever brought up the German rapper should find a coat hanger and pick his nose and snatch his brain so he can get that bullshit outta there. i bet you em sells 6 times the amount of albums in detroit as that guys sells worldwide. if he was that great id be looking at a german duscher on mtv and bet which thank god is not the case. i took german for 4 years in high school and the majority of there musical talent was lame. US vs German rappers, woops eminem already killed and stuffed um in his trunk and is on delivery to the saw mill.

  • T

    Sayin Drake’s debut outsold Em’s debut 1st week is like comparing apples to oranges, peaches 2 plums lol Em was a white boy with not as much buzz & a far less commerical album, not all the big features & not 3 poppy singles with singing & all the promo & radio airplay Drake has gotten! Em SSLP had maybe 1 mainstream single & it was his 1st one Id say & it wasnt that poppy nor any singing lyk Find Ur Love & it wasnt aimed at females lyk the latter……………

  • raDioVine

    I couldn’t agree with Benji’s comment more. Earlier someone said Eminem could destroy the Wu, which in itself is absurd, but you can’t put any of Eminems albums with that of the 36 Chambers. I mean years later I can introduce people to that cd and its an instant classic for them, it will be in another ten years. Not one Eminem cd will be able to do that. And if you want to go by accolades, Rolling Stones, Billboard, and any music magazine you can name gives that album praise without just being pigeon-holed into a rap category, but overall to music. I can see why people are irritated by Eminem fans, he can spit, he has some nice joints, but this album isn’t XXL, this album does not deserve the HIGHEST rating in any system.

    • Anonymous

      “I can see why people are irritated by Eminem fans”

      Maybe 5 people were annoyed, but they were annoyed cuz they were wrong.

  • T

    ^^^^ Yes it does, its an XXL! Oh & Eminem Show & MMLP are instant classics & are both better than a 9 person group album & Im from Park Hill Staten Island where Wu-Tang grew up…………

  • Jeena

    My little niece was flipping through posters at Walmart, I saw celebs in this order, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, Eminem, Jonas Brothers, then a Dora the Explorer with Boots. If you think any Eminem album is better than 36 Chambers….well good for you…:)

    Eminem fans and XXL Execs give the man his earned XXL, cause all hes tryna say is get back, click-clack BLAOW, cause he ain’t playin’ around…

    • Lilly Russell

      Sooo Because he’s hot again he doesn’t deserve an XXL? um oookay. You forgot MJ, his poster are in that display here in LA also.. He’s not a legend? Man Cris Brown is gonna be crushed to hear this..

      I don’t think Recovery being better than 36 Chambers is the measuring stick for an XXL. Go back up and read Deshawna Powell’s comment then say it’s isn’t better than those XL’s like, b.o.b, jim jones , gucci mane , rick ross, tony yayo’s album’s.. so we can just end this conversation with your credibility.

      Recovery spawned SEVEN singles on the Billboard Top 100 it’s first week out the gate. Not Afraid, Love the Way You Lie, Cold Wind Blows, No Love, Talking 2 Myself, 25 to Life, & Won’t Back Down! Almost Famous, Space Bound, and Going Through Changes were just a few hundred short of making it! That’s more any album ever, including his own. Hell most artists are lucky if they get 3! It’s his most successful album to date. XXL baby!

  • Lilly Russell

    Drake’s “Thank Me Later” got an XL!!… Still wanna say Recovery doesn’t deserve and XXL! LMAO!!!

  • I thought Pitchfork gave the most honest and intelligent review of Eminems Recovery album, and his overall return to rap.

  • dark horse

    well balanced, crazy raw skills, a masterfull display, maybe people will wake up and get back to real rap after this album, he is the king, if recovery is this dope, im afraid of what his next album is like…..

  • The Big Mack

    i got a list heres the order of my list that its in it goes: 1. The Eminem Show – minus without me, wich was still quite good at the time, this album could do no wrong, he touched on so many points
    2. Recovery – as a die hard fan i rate this as the follow up to The Eminem Show, personally ther are 2 songs i dont like, cold wind blows and on fire. No love and spoace bound are two of my faves and i look at going through changes as deja vu part2
    3. The Marshall Mathers L.P – first album i ever bought and i was 11 years old so this was a whole nother world to me, the only reason this isnt 2nd is because i believe em has grown lyrically with relaps
    4. Encore – i aint gunna lie i kinda liked it if im totally honest minus shit like rain man! love me more the bonus track is one of my all time fave eminem tracks, it touches deep
    5. Relapse – after so many years away i think im kinda biest with this album coz take away those stupid accents and you have actually got a good album, lyrically he killed it, insane was insane and deja vu was awesome!
    6. The Slim Shady L.P – I could never really get into this album because i got it years after The marshall mathers l.p and obviously i noticed the clear change in his voice, lyrically awesome but just not for me at such an age.

    all in all recovery should be rated XXL for the simple fact that it has everythingf an album needs, Marshall Bruce Mathers lll should finally be placed wer he belonghs on the throwne of hip hop, marshall is the king and for our generation he has proven time and time again he can not be fucked with! PEACE :)

  • Blurayman

    OK…can someone please tell me where is the actual review of this Album. And yes…it gets XXL from me…”after 10 years this s*** will be Illmatic”

  • GlockMane

    That Eminem has lost what made me think he had lost it in the first place. So i’m say this to my boy in my native language.
    Mfan’am, yini lena oyenzayo. Wawufana no Jet Li kule-rap, manje usufana no jackie China (Chan).
    Translation) where the Jet Li (pure artform) of rap, now you more like the Jackie Chan (pure entertainment). Come on dawg, here, smoke a blunt!

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  • bk

    one david cook won american idol (sounds gay but he represents kcmo) dicks and 2 this album is absolutely sick. its different but you gotta love lyricism

  • Dyflo

    just give the album XXL already!