New York’s Losing the Lion’s Share – 2004 Recap

In the wake of XXL’s 10 Freshmen for ’10 cover, one question kept coming up: What happened to New York? For hip-hop’s first 25 years, the music’s birthplace created dozens of stars. From the Bronx’s KRS-One to Manhattan’s Doug E. Fresh, Brooklyn’s Notorious B.I.G., Queens’s 50 Cent and Staten Island’s Wu-Tang Clan, each borough produced its own legends. Even outlying provinces like Long Island and Yonkers got in on the act, expanding New York rap’s borders with the likes of Public Enemy and DMX.

But that was then. Over the past seven years, the well has gone dry. Since 50 Cent detonated onto the scene with his eight-million-selling megabomb Get Rich or Die Tryin’, New York newcomers have been having a hard time blowing up. In fact, since 50 made his mark in 2003 with both his solo debut and G-Unit group album (Beg For Mercy), only a handful of local rappers have managed to debut in the top 10 of Billboard’s Top 200 albums chart: Juelz Santana (2003’s From Me to U), Sheek Louch (2003’s Walk Witt Me), Loon (2003’s Loon), Lloyd Banks (2004’s The Hunger for More) Tony Yayo (2005’s Thoughts of a Predicate Felon) and Mims (2007’s Music Is My Savior). And only Lloyd Banks (2004’s “On Fire”), Mims (2007’s “This Is Why I’m Hot,”) and Lil Mama (2008’s “Lip Gloss”) have had a first single break the top 10 of the Hot 100 singles.

In XXL’s May issue, which is on stands now, we went searching the five boroughs, as well as Long Island and Yonkers, in search of some answers as to how New York fell into a hip-hop drought. But over the course of the next few days, we’ll give a year-by-year breakdown of the music that came out of the Big Apple and how it stacked up against the rest of the hip-hop nation. Yesterday, we covered 2003’s stats, now we dig into 2004.

Men lie, women lie, but numbers don’t…

In 2004, 34 hip-hop albums debuted in the top 10 of Billboard’s top 200, 14 of which came from New York artists

NEW YORK ARTISTS

The Pretty Toney Album, Ghostface

Tical 0: The Prequel, Method Man

To The 5 Boroughs, Beastie Boys

Kiss Of Death, Jadakiss

The Hunger For More, Lloyd Banks

True Story, Terror Squad

Godfather Buried Alive, Shyne

Amerikaz Nightmare, Mobb Deep

Welcome Back, Ma$e

The DEFinition, LL Cool J

The New Danger, Mos Def

Real Talk, Fabolous

R.U.L.E., Ja Rule

Street’s Disciple, Nas

MISSOURI ARTISTS

Suit, Nelly

Sweat, Nelly

Hood Hop, J-Kwon

Powerballin’, Chingy

GEORGIA ARTISTS

Crunk Juice, Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz

Urban Legend, T.I.

The Red Light District, Ludacris

ILLINOIS ARTISTS

Kamikaze, Twista

The College Dropout, Kanye West

PENNSYLVANIA ARTISTS

Split Personality, Cassidy

The Tipping Point, The Roots

MICHIGAN ARTISTS

D12 World, D12

Encore, Eminem

NORTH CAROLINA ARTISTS

Still Writing In My Diary: 2nd Entry, Petey Pablo

TENNESSEE ARTISTS

Living Legends, 8Ball & MJG

Straight Outta Ca$hville, Young Buck

TEXAS ARTISTS

U Gotta Feel Me, Lil’ Flip

LOUISIANA ARTISTS

Tha Carter, Lil Wayne

FLORIDA ARTISTS

Thug Matrimony: Married To The Streets, Trick Daddy

CALIFORNIA ARTISTS

R&G (Rhythm & Gangsta): The Masterpiece, Snoop Dogg

Out of the 34 hip-hop albums to debut in the top 10 of Billboard’s top 200 in 2004, only 1 was from a new New York artist dropping his first album.

Lloyd Banks

SEE NEXT PAGE FOR SINGLES STATS FOR 2004

  • 11KAP

    Nobody wanna listen to us anymore, except us, but that’s ok with me. (You know who) made ny fall off with his phony southern flow tho. niggas been tryna tell you! smh. this shit is just like Wall Street, Congress and the US currency. All this shit fallin off out here. It’s gonna take some clever ass niggas to lead us outta this situation. Babylon fi dead. real talk.

    • King Don GUnit

      Dear Lord,
      We will give you Tony Yayo in return for Tupac & Biggie…if you think this isn’t a fair trade we will throw in Justin Beiber, Lindsay Lohan, Gucci Mane, Soulja Boy, Diddy, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, and your choice of any 3 “wack” rappers (there are just too many to list!)
      Thanks,
      A Hip Hop fan who wants real rap back

      • Ratchevski

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • adillaveli

      fuck New York, that come from all that dick ridin all them niggas do like claiming they the best but can’t no nigga in new york fuck with 2Pac for the simple fact he dropped a new york album (Me Against The World) sold 5 million and a West Coast album (All Eyez On Me) sold 10 million to show how much influence he had on both coast but everybody claim they the best but the best is resting and no matter what they put out they can’t touch The Don in any way form or fashion. We give some of ya’ll props but this is where it stops: Nas (Greatest Lyricist), Jay-Z (Master Of Dome Shot Lyrics), Notorious B.I.G. (Master Flow), Mobb Deep (Gutter Until G-Unit), Diplomats (Hustle And Swag), G-Unit (Certain Shit), Ruff Ryders (What Can I Say), Wu-Tang Clan/Redman (Gully), Shyne Po (Need To Go With Dr. Dre but I love Godfather Buried Alive), Foxy Brown (Ill Na Na), Ja (before the singing) and Fab holds his own the rest need to stop

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  • BeerGangsta

    New York got to come up with better beats. The lyrics sound ok. New school New York Rappers could not come up with no new better Ideas. LA is in the same vote. Midwest in and out of good music. South having fun with it. Shit don’t sound worth a dam. Kids saving their lives.

  • Dub

    Used to love NY music, but the newer cats are hanging on the coattails of guys like Hov,Nas,Fab,Jada etc. and they ain’t pullin the new jacks up. Damn near every prominent rapper in the South got a nigga comin up next… Hell, even Soulja Boy puttin niggas on. Camron bout the only dude I see putting people on game. Somewhere down the line, NY stopped fuckin with each other. Hell Southern niggas more tied in with the new NY niggas, French Montana gotta get a cosign from Bun, and Frenchie and Jae Millz signed with Gucci and Wayne, and Maino got affiliated wit TI

  • Anonymous

    every body lookin at the worng way the south and the west and the midwest wants east coast to come back its the east that has the problem. peep this i’m from the midwest flintown. so i’m in the middle of all of it but i live in atlanta and the common thing is the people from the south and people that move here say we like east coast music but they got a attitude problem. thats why the south is tryin to help east coast music like stated above hey jae millz is young money and manio is a t.i affliate nikki mange holdin the ladys down where’s the luv for her the bottom line is the east don’t show luv and suppport and get money together like the south does .also new york need to get better beats and relearn how to make music and stop that gangsta shit its dead also its a new genration we got to stop wating for biggie .pun. and pac to resurrect .and stop livin in the 90′s if you a old nigga like me 31 undestand that was our time and this is the new lil nigga era it is what it is -out-

  • Chomps

    Whats with these “ny needs a comback” “ny losing lion’s share”?…

    Dnt get me wrong old NY was dope mobb deep to Wu…

    modern day NY is boring tho…

    Just take a look to the west for a fresh breath of air!…

    Trust me you’ll be supprised

    We got gangster, backpackers and trunk slapperz..

    Weres the love yo!

  • HummingAtCha

    The South is whack and they are very whack music wise.There are NO good rappers that come out of the south except rappers like Cash Money and No-Limit when they were hot back in the day,T.I.,Ludacris,Outkast and that’s it.

    The south been whack,Who still listen to UGK,8-BALL,The Geto Boys,and those other southern rappers?The East Coast started HIP HOP NOT THE SOUTH,EVERYBODY FEED OFF OF THE EAST COAST,WE HAVE THE BEST MUSIC,THE BEST SWAGG,THE MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE,THE HOTTEST RAPPERS,THE HOTTEST SINGERS…BUT THE SOUTH IS WHACK FROM SCARFACE,SOULJA BOI,GS BOYZ,HURRICANE CHRIS.I NEVER LISTEN TO WEST COAST OR SOUTHERN RAP BECAUSE I WAS NEVER EXPOSED TO IT AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEBODY FROM PHILLY/NY WHERE WE KNOW REAL HIP HOP.I NEVER LISTENED TO SOUTHERN RAP.

  • bylaw99

    Why does erybody say that 50 Cent killed NY rap, so because G-Unit didnt f**k with Murder Inc, Terror Squad, D-Block, Dipset and Rocafella they hurt NY hiphop, how? What about the rest of NY..U mean to tell me them other rappers couldnt get together to make music to save ya’lls ass GTFOH, when 50 was coming in the game erybody sh*tted on him then when he got his shot he didnt f**k wit anybody..;NOBODY! So how is he responsible for other mufuckaz lack of grind work? riddle me that batman!

  • bylaw99

    I just dont see homie being that damn powerful to divide a whole state. Were was wu-tang, Fabolous, Fat Joe, The Lox, EPMD, RedMan, Diddy was still eating, why doesnt anybody be mad at Jay-Z it wasnt like he was f**king with other NY rappers either….! Right

  • http://www.bboycult.com $yk

    “why doesnt anybody be mad at Jay-Z it wasnt like he was f**king with other NY rappers either….! Right”

    ^ lolz

    But anyway, Jay & 50-M.O.P.

  • Hussle’s Way

    I’d rather listen to NY rappers all day..

  • TYBO2020

    BLAH..BLAH..BLAH..WHY KEEP SAYING FALL OR FELL OFF..WHEN MOST THIS NEW SHHIT IS REHASHED OLD SHHIT OR JUST WACK SHHIT??..DON’T BLAME NY..GIVE OUR GENITALS ROOM TO BREATHE..FIFTY’S TOO..HE DID HIS THING..WHY DAMN NEAR EVERYBODY ELSE WACK AND NIKKAS EATING IT UP??..SIMPLE BULLSHHIT WACK SHHIT TOO..I CAN’T SEE IT..PLACE A LIST OF 2005 TO NOW AND WEED THAT BULLSHHIT OUT..THEN WHO YOU GONNA POINT FINGERS AT??..I’VE GOT IT..DUMB AZZ CONSUMERS..

    ..AND NUMBERS DO LIE..GET OFF JAY’S NUTS TOO..IT’S CALLED MANIPULATION..FUKKEN ROBOTS..

  • Kenny D

    2004 was the official year G-Unit took over the hip hop scene. They seem to run everything up until 50 and Game started beefing. After that the Unit started to fall off, mostly cuz while 50 was beefing with almost all of New York, and Jay-Z was fucking up Def Jam, the dirty south started to rise. Personally, my favorite album in 2004 was College Dropout and then Urban Legend, but in New York, I had to go with Real Talk and then Hunger for More.

  • T-MART

    Cam’ron from HARLEM YA UPTOWN 2004 PURPLE HAZE HE A NY CAT?? THE FUCK???!

  • YAY

    last time i checked cam had pruple haze 2004

  • shitbrainstain

    this article fucking blows

  • c. gabi

    when did lloyd banks become an “ny artist” isn’t dude from like, baltimore?

  • Anti-Mainstream

    Why did NY fall off? Why did Hip Hop all around fall off? Biggest problem is radio dj’s all over the country dickride the south, and have been for the past 5 years. In all honesty the West has been making the hottest Hip Hop in the last 5 years, especially the bay area, but radio dj’s only play south rappers, and the same 10 songs all day. The only GREAT new emcee from NY (and the best to come out of NY since Biggie) Joell Ortiz IS the greatest emcee out right now, Drake, Weezy, and Kanye can’t touch Joell Ortiz and are lightyears behind him lyrically! Radio DJ’s refuse to play artist that have the lyrical content, of he, slaughterhouse, Immortal technique, Krs, Nas, etc, they only play pop shit, which is why real Hip Hop gets no promotion! Case in point, Reakwon’s OB4CL 2 was a #1 album and was successful, but was it on the radio? No! Joell Ortiz got a major buzz going on the eastcoast, is he on the radio? No! Slaughterhouse debut album was critically acclaimed, but was it on the radio? No! They don’t play lyrical shit on the radio, only the pop records, and mostly a lot of bullshit coming out of the south!