FEATURE: Jim Jones, Internal Affairs

[Editor’s Note: These are the outtakes to the edited interview that appears in the March 2009 issue of XXL.]


XXLMag.com: With Juelz, why would Cam not let songs be cleared if it was an opportunity for all of them to make money? If it’s all about the money, then Juelz’s songs and appearances would’ve generated money…

Jim Jones: You missing two things, ego and we were the label and now that we all know Cam was the label and the label doesn’t get paid for appearances. Unless he can negotiate something different, from his point of view that might not have been his best interest because he wasn’t getting a dollar from it. And then you have this thing called ego where, oh, this shit ain’t going right, I still have control over the most powerful entity that we have in this bitch and, I guess I’ll show my ass a little bit. And do it the way that I wanna do it. He might have been feeling like that. Everybody wanna feel like they bigger than me and all that, who knows. That could have been one of his emotions at the time.

XXL: I remember when Nas went off on Summer Jam and dissed Cam’ron and others on Power 105 radio because they wouldn’t let him lynch Jay-Z at Summer Jam. You guys went to the studio that night and did the “Hate Me Now” freestyle, that was like a great hip-hop moment. Just because the response came so immediate, like the next day. We didn’t really get that when Cam dropped “Courtesy Curtis.”

Jones: Because it wasn’t urgent like that. It was more two people snapping on the side of the street like, “Ah, nigga you got on funny shoes,” nah mean? It didn’t feel like that, for nobody in America. It was just like, “Oh, these niggas is fighting, these niggas is fighting, did you see this Youtube?” It didn’t feel aggressive at all. Above all he’s still my brother so if we felt like it was something crazy we would have jumped in head first like, It ain’t going down. If I felt like in any way it would have tainted our brand, we would have jumped in, but I knew that they wasn’t gonna hold that accountable because it was that type of funny. But you see it’s been forgotten, like nobody dwelled on it, you dig? But when we did the Nas thing, we was young and eager and so rebellious for anybody to slip because we wanted to jump in the game, badly. We just needed one opportunity and his stupid ass was the opportunity, you dig? And if you rewind it, we just bullied that opportunity. He didn’t really say nothing crazy like that.

XXL: He was hanging Jay on stage, and you were Roc-A-Fella…

Jones: No, we didn’t care about him hanging Jay on stage. We wasn’t coming to fight Roc-A-Fella battles. That’s not why we jumped in. He slipped up on the radio and said something like he didn’t like the way Cam rhyme, or something he didn’t like.

XXL: Step your rap game up…

Jones: Yeah, so we was gonna put the chokehold on his stupid ass. He should not have said anything. Good lookin’. We gon’ drown him. And that’s what happened, we drowned him for our way in the game. We buried a legend at that point in time, like that was Nas. He was fresh off of “Ether,” he was kicking ass but he had fucked with the wrong young individuals. And that’s what happened. And you chalk that up. That was our real claim to fame to jumping in this game as the Diplomats. We mobbed him, we mobbed on his ass and anybody who tried to jump in the way that was worth it, we just rolled over them and got them out the way real fast.

XXL: So it’s safe to say that your history with Jay-Z has never been a positive one…

Jones:
Not the whole stretch of the history. There was some positive moments there when we were signed to Roc-A-Fella and we used to be at Bassline [Studios] and it was always a bit of aggressive competition amongst the artists, but we never really felt no real type of way towards him until it seemed to be a problem for him to jump on one of Cam’s records. He was that obnoxious that he wanted to do it when he wanted to do it and we just came in one day and he was like—Kanye had a beat—”I think you should do it,” and from there it was a battle. Cam was like, “Do it?” And I never seen no shit like…I never to this day. I ain’t never seen no shit like, this is the most historical moment in my life as far as being a rapper in this game. Not Kanye, Just Blaze had the beat like, Let’s do the joint tonight, trying to catch Cam off guard. Cam was like, “Do it?” These niggas went in the booth back to back, no breathing time, none of them. And I wouldn’t discredit none of them, I mean none of them, done. Juelz had the hook on smash, that was done. Bang. And him and Cam went in there like boxers, blow for blow, Jay went in the booth, came out, Cam went in the booth, came out, then Jay went back in and they looking at each other like, “Word?” Like that was some incredible shit. I’ll never forget that. That was down at Bassline.

XXL: So was everything downhill from there?

Jones: It wasn’t downhill from there. It was kinda like after that moment, after that song, it just got sour. It got sour with the vice president thing and we got to see people’s underlying hatred and they started to show it on they face and before it was a cool thing, you know. It was pool going on, it was gambling going on, nah mean? Then we tried to do the tour and they didn’t wanna…the tour was straight and everybody get money and they didn’t wanna do the tour but they end up doing the tour but we weren’t included. So we would be going to the tour and buying all the front row seats and stalking ’em ’cause we was still Diplomats at the time, we was rockin’.

XXL: So what was going on with the vice president thing?

Jones: How crazy is that? There was things going on that they didn’t wanna include us in and we was already so hot that we didn’t give a fuck.

XXL: So you were stepchildren just trying to be accepted.

Jones: We was just trying to make some money. At the end of the day it never went in our favor. It never included us. I don’t know what it was with that.

XXL: With you and Dame being so tight do you have any hard feelings with Jay-Z on behalf of Dame?

Jones: I definitely took it personal but I’m not trying to revolve my whole career around it. It’s been a fun thing for me at this point. I mean, I’ve found some witty ways to get at him, he’s responded to where I’ve never really seen him respond to anybody else, nah mean? So I must have gotten up under his skin in a lot of ways. To the point where, if I got money I don’t think it’s too much that to respond for. I’d think I won at that point in the game but, some people, I don’t know if they glutton for fame or they’re so passionate about doing this. I don’t know what it is but I gotta eat and I aint gon’ be here ’til I’m 47 so niggas got to move the fuck out my way or else you gon’ be the butt of my joke every time I get a chance ’cause you still in the fuckin’ way. The only niggas in the game is 50 [years old] that’s getting busy. The only nigga that’s not 50 [years old] is 50 that’s making some money. These niggas gotta move over. That ain’t a cheap shot, these niggas is 40-something years old, literally, what’s up? I mean what the fuck is up? -Vanessa Satten

  • Jim ”Trash” Jones

    We’ll know came brought u inn, Jimmy.
    Killa Cam still fuckin’ Boss u disloyal ass nigga.

  • Khayan from the bronx

    SOMETIMES I DONT GET JIM. I THINK THIS NIGGA REALLY FORGOT HOW MUCH CAM AND JAY DID FOR HIM. HE WAS NOBODY. JUST THE GUY CAM ALWAYS PUT IN HIS SONGS. THEY HAD NO REAL MAJOR SUCESS UNTIL THEY WAS ON THE ROC. AND JAY WAS THE ROC. SO HOW DO U TALK CRAZY ABOUT HIM. WHY IS HE STILL TALKING ABOUT JAY ANYWAY. HE GOT KILLED ON THE BALLING REMIX AND ON DIG A HOLE. DON’T GET ME WRONG I LIKE JIM. BUT STAY IN YOUR LANE FAM

    • Rob the Music Ed

      Yeah you can’t front Cam put him on. BUT you gotta give JIm credit, NOBODY was checking for him, and he kinda bullied his way into the game.

      I respect him because there was no way that jim was supposed to make it and he’s here.

  • Kabelo

    Fuck Jim Jones and his wack ass

  • Joe BlakK

    yo after reading this it seems like he doesnt really have a good reason to beef wit jay he’s just doing it for money like everyone else does to get by he’s an ok dude when it comes to his music but i think he’s over rated but after he stops talkin and taking cheap shots at jay he’ll be good

  • E20

    Jim Jones sounds BitchMade.

    First he tried to make money off of Cams Success.

    Then he tried to make Money off of dissing a legend, Nas.

    Then he tried to make money off of the strength of Roc A Fella.

    None of that worked so instead he never pays his music producers so he can continue to make believe he’s balling.

    Jim Jones is a joke. Another so called hustler exploiting and killing hip hop with his garbage music.

    Bad Santa Dipset Christmas moved 5,000 copies to date, and that includes downloads. Jim Jones its over go back to the projects, my bad you never left.

  • A

    NEGRO PLEASE. NAS WILL MURDER YOUR WHOLE HOMO CREW. YOU WAS A NON-DESCRIPT WHEN JAY GOT ETHERED. YOU COULDNT DO SHIT BUT JUMP IN HEAD FIRST, TRYNA GET A REP LIKE A FLUNKY AND GET BLOODIED. THERE WAS NOTHIN NONE OF YALL NICCAS COULD DO, NEGRO. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO WHAT U DO BEST GREEN HORN, TURN ON YOUR HOMIES FOR PAPER! I WISH NAS WOULD TURN ON THE LIGHTS. SO YOU COCKA ROACHES WOULD DISSAPEAR..

    2009 Christmas list

    Nas please ether:
    dipset
    g-unit
    lil wayne
    So on and so fourth..

  • the G.O.D

    Peace

    Now of all the dumbest interviews I’ve read on this site, this shit ranks next to Lil Whatever’s and Solja whatever’s. First of all, this idiot is not only using words out of context-perspired or aspired?-but he also sounds as if he is infatuated with proving how young (?) he is. Every time I hear this bozo speak, he tries to tell people how ‘young’ he and his crew were two or three years ago. Dunn, you look forty plus and anyone who is from NY , 20 or more years of age and is so-called set claiming is suspect As a matter of fact anyone from NY claiming sets is suspect.(Leave that shit for Cali). Another point, you did not ‘mob’ anybody least Nas—that so-called diss made no NOISE—fuck out of here- and that Kid Nas ethered your ass like a real thug would do a homothug—completely ignoring your ass. Go buy some anti-wrinkle cream. Oh yeah, go and invest in some ‘how to speak coherently..’ books

    Peace

  • MR. UNDI$PUTED THE MOGUL

    I’M SO TIRED OF POINTING OUT HOW IDIOTIC & DISLOYAL THIS FOOL IS IT’S RIDICULOUS. JUST THINK OF THIS, THEY STARTED DISSING JAY BECAUSE HE WOULDN’T LET DAME JUST GIVE THEM SPOTS THEY NEVER EARNED. EVERYONE IN THE BITCHSET TOOK SHOTS FROM CAM’RUN TO JR WRITER, YET WHEN 50 CENT NOT ONLY DISSED CAM IN A SONG & DID A VIDEO FOR THE SONG SAYING HIS CAREER IS OVER, HIS EXCUSE FOR HIM & JUELZ BEING QUIET WAS “IT WASN’T THAT SERIOUS, IT WAS LIKE 2 GUYS SNAPPING ON EACH OTHER!!! BULLSHIT, WHEN IS A DISS SONG NOT REALLY A DISS BUT JUST A JOKE?!! WHY DON’T THESE PUSSY ASS WRITER’S ASK REAL QUESTIONS LIKE THAT?!!!

    PEACE!!
    GET MONEY!!!
    MOGUL $$ GAME ’09

  • eric

    this nigga scared of 50. u see he keep talking shit bout jay and nas — two legends with nothing to prove and are in everybody top 5. he go at them cause he know they not gonna waste energy on his wack ass. he don’t go at 50 cause 50 will make a dis record the same day and its bye bye jimmy.

    anyway, everybody know he Hov’s biggest fan

  • http://xxlmag.com gettinmoneycool

    FUCK KIM JONES!

  • http://www.justice.gov.za GO-Getta’

    I still can’t get ova’ JJ constitancy obsession with Jay that fuckin’ homo..
    Yeah i do feel like Dame & Biggs got the raw deal.

  • flex3366

    Instead of marrying beyonce jay shouldve married jim jones cuz i guarantee you jimmy would suck his dick better then her…this dude wakes up of jay-z’s dick everyday

  • 2hard2fair

    the only way that dude is ballin is playin nba 2009.

  • the G.O.D

    Peace

    And oh yeah, the nail in the coffin—Jenny remember that time in the hotel lobby you and your (20 of them) goons saw Nas and his man and you put your head down and later on tried to flip it on that dvd.

    Peace

  • doctor69

    2 words fuck jenny jones . first he gets ignored by nas and jay then gets his ass whipped anytime he shows up in any hood part of nyc that includes harlem 3rd you keep saying nine trey when they a fake blood set and you got exposed on concrete hell and the blood dvd you fucking poser dame who the fuck is the reall jenny jones you can’t even vist la because the crips got a hit on you and you so called bloods you album is nothing but rip stack bundles ryhme book you lifted when he passed you fucking dirty monkey fuck this fake blood non g even harlem hates you

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