of course kanye can't say anything negative about his boss...LOL

It's an African country.

yeah i thought it was dumb as hell that both of them talked about diamonds. I was hoping that Jay Z was gonna talk about turnips or something. WTF?

kanye west did a good job withthat song- i was like "yoooooooooooooo"

cool if the song was about the ORIGINAL version and not the remix....on the reals, jay-z IS limited when it comes to subject matter...i always said that

and no it wouldn't be dumb as hell since that's whut the remix was about....

you don't see big daddy kane doing a self rep rhyme on kool g rap's "erase the racism"

but that's jay for ya

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ok

And the fact that Kanye spit a wack ass verse full of nothing but commercialism on the original diamonds remix had nothing to do with it right? and the fact he spit that sierra lione verse right after it, there wasnt nothing wrong with that? right? ur problem is, you knitpick at everything jay does, EVERYTHING, the guy spoke within the content of the song, all kanye did on the remix was REUSE his vbest verse from the original version, but yall fail to overlook how the first verse kanye spit had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIERRA LIONE SHIT.

Fact is, jay aint limited to subject matter, that has been proven, how many great conceptual tracks did he make? you must love me, streets is watching, the whole Reasonable Doubt, etc. So dead that "he isnt conceptual", cuz jay KNOWS what fans want to hear, they want to hear that self braggadaccio rap, not conceptual raps, thats true

Na he should have talked about some irrelevant shit like your man jeezy does? right? fuck outta here cockgobbler

damn, defensive are we????

especially, i'm not the one that created the thread nor 1st spoke on the subject...it's all good though

and yes jay-z IS limited in subject matter, i thought you came to your senses on that....one of the dopest lyricist ever, but how many MORE "jigga my nigga" type songs are we going to take????

his subject matter revolves around mostly self rep, his past legacy, street glorification, materialism, and misogynous concepts

RARELY you hear anything meaningful...one a handfuls of "you must move me" and "lucky me" type songs...hardly NO political or socially conscious type songs...he even ADMITS to that...

hell, "song cry" and "soon you'll understand" is practically the SAME song, just told a different way...same subject!!

regardless of lyricism, kanye's TWO ALBUMS had MORE diversity than jay-z's ENTIRE CATALOGUE!! and that's the truth


jay-z ALWAYS recycles his topics...i'm just being real with you

exactly......it just felt stupid....his verse should be on the original (where kanye is on money chat)

OK. the thread was started by someone who hates Jay, MR, the same guy who said the blueprint was 2 mics LMAO.

Now tell me, he has more concepts, THAN MOST RAPPERS. Deny that. Most rappers, talk about what? money, hoes, bitches, and murder, THATS IT, jay talks about those PLUS he speaks on his personal stories. Meet the Parents wasnt good? A story where he pulled the concept out of his ass? I rather hear a rapper who spits about his REAL life drama, than most of these rappers who talk about sierra lione but wont do shit about it.

Lets not forget, stories about his personal life, or DETAILED accounts of the street struggle. RD was more detailed than ANY hustling album EVER.

lets be real, how many artists from the south have any conscious lyricism, i mean the south is the region you have your mouthpiece attatched too. You will find ONLY HANDFUL OF RAPPERS, FROM THERE WITH MEANINGFUL CONCEPTS.

Yeah one was about almost loving his best friends sister, and another one was about actually loving a girl and being involved with her. YEAAAAAAAAH MAN you make alot of sense

Kanyes two albums have more diversity in terms of subject matter THAN ANYONE IN HIPHOP. So what are you speaking on? his two albums have more diveristy, in terms of subject matter, than pac, biggie, big l, all of them. Only person i see that has more conceptual diversity than kanye is nas, but thats it.

i don't care WHO made the thread..if i agree then i agree, if i don't i don't...and whut he said was true and i'm not the only one that disagrees with that...as a matter of fact this was discussed before in hoodbred....so, i dunno why you're tripping this hard

1. we're NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER RAPPERS...i don't give two shit about that, of course the rap game as a whole is limited in subject matter, i agree 200% on that...but this is about JAY-Z not OTHER RAPPERS

2. he speaks personal stories???? and you want to compare that to "other rappers" damn near EVERY RAPPER have "personal stories" shit, we know 50 CENT'S whole history, whut does that justify...like all the other rappers that you want to compare to, jay-z's personal stories are mostly fabricated or exagerrated, and unoriginal...me personally don't give a fuck about half ass rappers...but put him up against someone like GHOSTFACE, who is MADDD creative with subject matter and STILL keeps it street....or fuck it, just for the fuck of it...NAS..if you REALLY want to start talking about "other rappers"...but that's up to you

3. how many times your you going to speak on "meet the parents"..okay and WHUT ELSE??? and DON'T get CONCEPTS and SUBJECT confused either...i'll give him slight credit of him having more usefulness in constructing concepts, but it STILL revolves mostly around a recycled SUBJECT

4. you say you rather hear rappers speak on real life drama....and WHO DON'T in the rap game??? you want to shit on kanye, yet dude put out a song like roses which is REAL LIFE DRAMA that you see everyday but YOU DON'T hear rappers talk about....whut have jay-z EVER spoke about that's never been talked about before???? come to THINK about it...he NEVER did a song that was an ORIGINAL subject never discussed....

and somehow albums like "ready to die" and "only built for cuban linx" slips streets mind, even though they came out BEFORE RD & the fact they were inspirations for that album as well....jay-z was NOT rapping that hustling shit until it became popular in rap music...if i'm wrong, then DIG UP A RHYME BY JAY-Z PRIOR TO THOSE ALBUMS

BTW the afformentioned "only built for cuban linx" is the most DETAILED hustling album ever...

and here we go again with you wanting to dodge the fact that i'm right about jay-z by trying to switch focus on things that's NOT in the DISCUSSION...and yet u STILL can overlook people like geto boys, outkast, goodie MOB, devin the dude, david banner, nappy roots, hell even fuckin' TRICK DADDY rapped about MORE subjects in a album than jay-z has!!!! but like i said before, this isn't about OTHER RAPPERS, this is about JAY-Z, but if you want to go there then we can

even if the south NEVER rapped about anything different EVER....it has nothing to do with us talking about jay-z and whut HE'S LIMITED to....why not just face the fact that he talks about the SAME SHIT day in and day out throughout his career???

in CURRENT hip-hop i agree with, which is something that's a problem in rap music....but not with hip-hop from the past...but that's a whole different subject altogether...point blank is that jay-z with his 9 YEARS of being in the spotlight (and years he's still in the spotlight...regardless of the "retirement") you would of THINK he would have a MASSIVE catalogue of songs with different subject matter, but he don't...up until 2003, he been putting out albums every year...but they're based on the same shit...it's no different from a DMX album...it's recycled shit

Cuban Linx slipped my mind? No, Ready To die wasnt even a hustling album, it was more about a kid growing up in the ghetto, trying to survive. Plus I prefer both of those albums to RD. Plus if you wanna talk about styles bein bitten, i can basically name every souther hiphop album right now, and show you that they all follow thwe same concept, which makes their music inferior, but you dont wanna go there, because that would defeat your "south is the shit" argument

The thing that seperated RD from Cuban linx was the fact that jay showed the inner conflict of a hustla. Ghost and Rae glorified their drug connections, and they glorified their profession. Look at what Jay did on RD, talk about the ups of the drug game(feelin it, cant knock the hustle), the downs of the drug game(regrets, politics as usual, D evils), the pressure of the drug game(can i live), he put out a song where he even recruited a young hustla to start out(coming of age), songs that described the ambition of hustlas(dead presidents), the floss of the drug game(cant knock the hustle and cashmere thoughts), he INTRICATLEY BROKE DOWN the hustlers mantra on that album. He attacked the hustle game at all points and aspects, and if it hadnt been for aint no nigga and can i live pt 2, that would be a 5 mic album in my eyes. But can you even show me an album, where the hustler makes you see life thru HIS OWN PERSPECTIVE, the negative AND positive effects? i dont think so. Cuban linx was dope, but ghost and rae were spitting that 5% knowledge way more than the drug game politics. There has been no album that has even come close to extract the inner thoughts of a hustla to this day. Listen to a wack album like thug motivation, what is jeezy talking about? selling bricks to feinds? no detailed account no none of that.

My point is, if MOST rappers are on that self rep tip. why are you criticizing jay for it? That makes no sense.

Ghost and nas are way more creative in terms of subject matter, I have never denied that, but jayz is sufficient enough.

I would rather have a dude speaking on a relevant subject that HE HIMSELF CAN SPEAK ON, than some phony nigga whose TRYING to be "creative".

Come to think about it, NO RAPPER HAS TALKED ABOUT SUBJECTS THAT HAVENT BEEN DONE BEFORE, unless he or she is from the golden era, where the subjects werent tackled yet. Kanye talked about his grandma, DMX talked about his grandma 4 yrs before him, whats your point? the only REAL original subject, kanye ever brought up, was jesus, but that was more of a marketing gimmick if anything, because the nigga went on to sell jesus pieces, and he even took 20 K from the church he shot the video at.

Actually besides kanye, no group or artist has really diversified their subject matter, PAST AND PRESENT.

NWA-nothing but gangsta rhetoric, and misoginy
PE-Recycled revolutionary themes
outkast-Andre is REALLY creative, but big boi? LMAO, that guy is the typial southern mc when it comes to lyricism, but hes got mic skills
Goodie mobb-very conscious group, but TOO BAD CONSCIOUS LYRICISM WAS ALREADY DONE BEFORE. So they cant be original RIGHT?

Should I even go on?

Honestly, any man with a sensible logic can see, I'm not wrong here. First I never overrated Jay-Z, I dont have in my top 5, cryza, dap, nova, all do. Dont play the stan card with me. Second, your points arent making sense, you talk about subject matter, but yet you advocate mc's from the south that HAVE NO SUBJECT MATTER. It's called hypocrisy, granted they are not named jay-z, but it does pertain to the convo, BECAUSE you give those redundant rappers a pass, while a more prolific subject writer like jay isnt given one because hes in the spotlight.

To say he has limited writing skills is stupid, because he can intricately write concepts with the best of them. Like I said, he writes self repathons because when people talk about verses, they bring out self repathons, those are the ones that get the quotables and stuff, shit he even said it in an interview, that most conscious shit flys over peoples head.

point proven on how you want to change the subject .....but on the reals, ALL RAP music out today is weak, whut's NEW YORK doing that's so different???...who gives a fuck anyway when it's not whut we're talking about???....how can you defeat me on "the south is the shit" arguement when THAT'S not even the discussion???? stick with the subject...stop running!


also "reasonable doubt" IS an album inspired "ready to die" and "cuban linx"...and trying to DOWNPLAY "ready to die" as NOT a hustling album is CRAZY

...HELL, even the INTRO was on a hustler's mindframe...and shit like gimmie the loot, warning, respect, me and my bitch, everyday struggle, juicy, suicidal thoughts...and you said jay-z gave the ups and the downs of hustling...okay so did BOTH ready to die and cuban linx...don't even LET me go there with cuban linx...

okay, i guess you WANT me to go there with cuban linx:

raekwon from "knuckleheadz"

ghostface on the "can it be" remix

raekwon on "spot rushers"

raekwon- north star

ghostface on "verbal intercourse"

fuck it, the ENTIRE album for that matter!!! so intricately MORESO in detailing the hustlin' underworld...from start to finish...they were talking about "ice" "whips" "cristal" before JAY did...they gave the blueprint to his album along with biggie's "ready to die".....

reasonable doubt is dope, and started off HOT, but the subject matter wasn't no different from whut AZ was rapping at the time, junior mafia was rapping at the time, and definately no different to "it was written" which came out about the exact same time...reasonable doubt IS NOT as detail in the hustling underworld as CUBAN LINX, i'm sorry...



aiight now moving on....

the thing i question is why are you tripping about me saying jay-z is limited in subject matter when you admit that most rappers are anyway....THAT's whut makes no sense...and also why you worried about me saying whut's jay-z's limited at??? there's no such thing as a perfect rapper...so if jay-z's limited in a certain area then so be it....i can speak on ANY rapper on whut flaws they got...why? because it's MY OPINION, and i have the right to speak on it whenever i feel like it

now THAT'S a big "negro please" and people wonder why there's no creativity in the rap game....and yet "meet the parents" is jay-z actually being creative, on something he NEVER did himself...kinda contradicts whut you are saying, huh?

homie, have you even stopped and actually LISTENED to whut the song was about??? or did you just assume it was about his grandma dying in the hospital?

"Cause with my family we know we're home
And so instead of sendin flowers, we the roses"

the SONG was about his family's strength and unity with their grandmother...the chorus speaks for itself about bonding (think of the movie "soul food" where big momma was in the hospital and the family was suffering because big momma was that bond that held that family together)..the song is actually DEEPER than it appear....

and YUP, not since the early 90's have we have diversity and original subjects...instead of the usual shit you hear everyday...and jay-z is with that usual high percentage of those that rap about the same shit....a handful of songs between all those years and all those albums???? inexcuseable...he's just limited in subject matter!

how come someone like kanye west, who's NOT a real rapper, IMO, can be MORE creative when it comes to topics??? or the OTHER few that are in the game right now...andre3000 is VERY successful in emceeing and his range on subject is massive, how come jay-z can't get like that???? you say he can, but WHEN????

JAY-Z DON'T HAVE A VAST SUBJECT CATALOGUE...most of his songs are recycled, plain and simple

you can go list other rappers, and i would agree on most of them...BUT we are TALKING ABOUT JAY-Z

so all this "these other rappers are limited as well" is irrelevent! plain and simple, jay-z IS LIMITED

When did I say I hate Jay Z, or give BP2 2 mics?

I think Jay Z is a very good rapper and I gave BP2 3.5 Mics.

thank you and co-sign. Somebody actually listened to what the man said besides me. Don't hate the player hate the game. some of ya'll muhfuckas sound like that wack ass Dame. How u going to hate cause the man tired of cats eating off his plate. To qoute the god: Food for thought/ my nigga/ U do the dishes.

Lmao hahaha

Your Right Lol

By The Way Is Late Registration Any Good Cause I Have College Dropout

And I Was Quite Dissapointed

It Only Has A Couple Of Good Ones But I Heard Late Registration Is Awesome

It's good, but if you felt disappointed with College Dropout, then you'd probably be disappointed with Late Registration, cuz it wasn't better.

But you should check it out, everybody has different music taste.

Or download it.

Burn it to a cd.

I only buy cd's from cat's I like, most of the time I get bootlegged copies.